I just got through loading a Weber 12F150-O into my 30watt combo. I think what I'm hearing is referred to as "ghost notes".some notes on the harp generate some very harsh tones from the speaker. When that isn't happening the speaker sounds great, but this harshness is intolerable. Anyone else had similiar or different experience of this speaker. I'm wondering if I have left a screw loose, it just sounds great then totally wrong. If its just how this speaker rolls, is it just a harp thing? ----------
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If I,m not mistaken I read yrs back that the 12 F 150 was a V.Good speaker for harp,no dope.Let us know what you think.I was actually going to buy it for my Princeton,but you beat me to it.Its All Good,curious to hear the review.
I had the same issue (cone cry) in a lightly doped 12F125-O. I traded it to a guitar player for a transformer, after we confirmed it was great with guitar. I replaced it with a 12F125-S, which did not have the problem when in a separate cab, but was too big to fit the '61 Gibson GA-18T. I later got a 12A125-S which did not give me the cone cry problem and fit the GA-18T fine. I used the 12F125-S in a different cab with a different vintage tube amp. These amps were 14 watt and 20 watt amps, so the lower wattage of the speakers was not an issue. All these speakers had the harp dust cap.
I have had cone cry with various other speakers I tried over the years, too. The 12*125-S Webers worked fine with harp for me and I used them for several years, though they emphasized the high frequencies more than I preferred.
Eventually I have switched to using the Eminence Lil Buddy 10" and the Cannabis Rex 12", and have had no problems with cone cry, and the darker tone I like. ----------
"Cone Cry", that's the term! JD, I believe it's a 50watt speaker. This amp is a master volume kind of thing, I believe it's based on a Marshall circuit. I haven't used it since I got my 410, until last night I took it to practice. It does the job as in its audible. But the 410 sounds do much better. When I got home last night I swapped the weber into it and discovered the meaning of cone cry... Nitecrawler, I actually thought I'd heard the 12" webers were prone to this but the 10"s are very good. I scored that 10A125 for MY Princeton. I'll get my mate to test it with guitar and see how it goes before I decide what to do. If its cool with guitar ill probably sell it, but if not ill have a crack at doping it to see if it can be cured. Thanks for comments, further comments welcome ----------
SuperBee, I had exactly the same problem with all 12-inch speakers from Weber: ghost notes, cone cry, yowl, whatever ya wanna call it. I know other players who had good results with 12-inch Webers, but they just would not work for me.
The good news is Weber allowed me to return every speaker that had this issue (I think there were four). But this was back when Ted was alive, so their generous return policies may have changed.
I wouldn't give up on it yet. I have that same speaker in a Epiphone Jr. Cabinet and it sounds great. I broke my speaker in before playing much harp through it by playing Sirus radio through it continually one weekend using a old receiver I had. I think that got it off to a good start, but it absolutely sounds better now after a couple years use. Maybe once the cone softens up a little the ghost's will disappear.
JD, thanks for the heads up. I bought it thinking it was 50, on vendors advice I thought. Maybe I misread it. My lookout anyway. I doubt I'm overdriving it beyond its capacity though, I don't get the amp anywhere near its potential. I'll take care though and get it out of that amp and find a different application for it. Thanks Rainman for sharing your experience. Maybe there is reason to be hopeful. Rick, I think it was your experience with the 12" webers I read a while ago. ----------
John, there is no problem between you and I. You acted in good faith, all the details of the transaction were perfect. No need for anything to be made good. I've enjoyed doing business and meeting you. I'd have no hesitation recommending you as a person of goodwill based on my experience. ----------
Yes JD, it could be they've discontinued it I guess. I'll write them and ask, but just for interest sake. I'm too far away to get anything done about it. By Weber anyway. If its a loss i'll wear it. I'm hopeful ill find an application for it though. Must say, it sounds great when its not buzzing. Rainman, do you know if yours is a 50w? ----------
Mine is the 25W but at that time you could customize it. I know I added the Harp Dustcap and you could also go with larger voice coil and higher wattage. Mine has the "Gold Hotdog" paint and it's a shame to hide it in a cabinet.
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