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A Tango : you dance?
A Tango : you dance?
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Christelle Berthon
44 posts
Jul 30, 2009
12:38 PM
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Hi guys
I've redone this version of Milonga For Three by Astor Piazzolla, for a friend of mine, and I thought you would enjoy it.
The harmonica is a Seydel 1847 wood comb out of the box
http://www.christelleharpqueen.net/milonga.mp3
See you at SPAH
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Buddha
890 posts
Jul 30, 2009
12:53 PM
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intonation is good.
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mickil
406 posts
Jul 30, 2009
1:43 PM
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Your vibrato is astonishing, beautiful. If I could do it quite that well, I'd gladly forsake overblowing, speed and what have you.
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'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
http://www.youtube.com/user/SlimHarpMick
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Andrew
475 posts
Jul 30, 2009
3:26 PM
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This is what practice is about, mickil.
The oboe is possibly the instrument where, once you have perfected the technique, your technique can't be bettered. You learn to crescendo using your diaphragm. At the same time as crescendoing, you learn to stop the note from going sharp. On the oboe you do this by relaxing your lips - the increased breath makes the reeds vibrate more, and the relaxed pressure of your lips on them flattens the note, which would be sharpened by the stronger breathing. You learn to balance everything out. And you learn to diminuendo without the note going flat - your breath gets gentler, your lips get tighter - this stifles the reed and makes it vibrate sharper to counteract the flattening of the note due to the relaxing breath. You do all this breathing with your diaphragm. You have to do this just for proper crescendoing and diminuendoing. Then you learn to do the same thing faster and faster for the vibrato. You practise regular, rhythmic slow crescendoes and diminuendoes. You accelerate.
When I was 18 I practised just these techniques on the oboe for half an hour a day for the 6 months that it took me to get the vibrato. That's what you have to do. These things aren't free gifts.
Last Edited by on Jul 30, 2009 3:28 PM
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mickil
408 posts
Jul 30, 2009
3:38 PM
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I know Andrew. Thanks for the words. I've hit a bit of a wall with this one.
I know it's just time, patience and practice, but it's the most frustrating aspect of harp playing to me: trying to find that spot where the diaphram takes over from the throat to avoid a) chopiness, and b) a sore throat.
Practice, practice, practice!
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'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
http://www.youtube.com/user/SlimHarpMick
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Christelle Berthon
45 posts
Jul 30, 2009
4:21 PM
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Thanks for your comment guys.
However what Andrew said was true, I don't feel like applying the oboe technique at 100%. Yes I'm using my breathing technique learned from the oboe, but as much as I did when I started the recorder when I was 4 years old.
My point of view on the modern way of playing harmonica, is that: this is the most difficult instrument I've ever played, mainly because of my natural tone. One of the reasons that I don't feel like applying the oboe technique, is that the embouchure is way more different and obviously on the oboe you're not creating completely different notes with the double reed. Even the breathing is different: for the oboe you equally need both air speed and air pressure coming from the diaphragmatic breathing, and rib breathing, for the harmonica you mainly need the air pressure and a small amount of air speed (even if sometimes you can you it to "amplified" your tone to project the sound into your sinuses)
This is why I'm working everyday 5 to 8 hours when I've got time, to brake the walls that are in front of me....Pushing the limits, my limits till I feel comfortable and I can add music in the technique.
Last Edited by on Jul 30, 2009 4:26 PM
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LeonStagg
5 posts
Jul 30, 2009
5:11 PM
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Is it posted on youtube?
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Christelle Berthon
46 posts
Jul 30, 2009
6:51 PM
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No it's not posted on Youtube I mean not this version. I've posted last year this version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPSqBNaG2jg
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walterharp
6 posts
Jul 30, 2009
8:00 PM
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I like!
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Andrew
476 posts
Jul 31, 2009
1:26 AM
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To add to what Christelle says, paradoxically I think in fact that, although it's hard work and most don't put in the effort, the design of the oboe actually makes it easier to learn vibrato on that instrument than on the harp.
But one thing that's clear is that you need a specialist teacher - I was taught oboe at state school by a peripatetic teacher whose speciality was the clarinet (which, for example, is never played with vibrato, I think I'm right in saying - unless you're Acker Bilk, and listen to how he chews that music to bits!). It wasn't until I went to college and joined the orchestra there and met a professional oboist that I started getting proper lessons from someone who knew the techniques.
I find that on the harp I only use full vibrato technique when I've got a note that offers me resistance, like an OB or some draw bends or just blow notes which I've got gapped really close (not to mention, depending on the music as well). If your gaps are wide, vibrato may be pretty difficult. I don't know - I don't give it any thought, because I've got other worries!
Last Edited by on Jul 31, 2009 1:31 AM
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