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Valve bends with no valves
Valve bends with no valves
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spackle20
33 posts
Oct 17, 2012
9:47 PM
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I accidentally bent a note flat that usually requires an overblow to hit. (it is an A bent to A flat with a Power Bender tuning.) Turns out that if I delicately choke it, I can make it bend down, though it is hard to control.
Has anyone heard of using this technique seriously up and down the harp ?
As if adjusting for overblows and overdraws wasn't hard enough, now we can add ability to valve bend to the requirements for the slot adjustment.
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robbert
152 posts
Oct 18, 2012
6:52 AM
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Harpninja(Mike F.)brought this up a few days ago. Since I've been messing around with ll this stuff recently, I gave it a try after reading Mike's post. Those bends are there, but they are not as distinct or powerful as valved.
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HarpNinja
2782 posts
Oct 18, 2012
7:13 AM
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I've been messing with this non-stop for a couple of weeks now. I am convinced that on a non SUB30, for me, an overbend setup is where it is at as I can get the shading of valved bends without valves. The hardest are 4 and 5 blow, but on holes 6-10, I am solid now.
Here's the deal, though. I can now get those bends on harps that haven't been embossed. I've been using a stock A Marine Band and can get the shading effect. I've tried bending to pitch, but honestly, I am to the point with the overdraws that the 7OD is just as powerful and useful as the 6OB.
I still need to work on my 9 and 10 overdraws in terms of manipulating the bend up and down. I can do it, but sometimes miss hitting them cleanly when playing fast runs.
I'd say that I can shade using single reed bends as a regular part of my playing now...full volume, vibrato, etc, within the limitations of the technique. If I try to wail on it, obviously, it gets noisey.
While I still think the SUB30 approach is the best option, I think there is a TON of untapped potential in standard Richter harps. There is this false assumption that it takes special harmonicas to start doing this, but I disagree. While obviously the better option, we don't give factory harps enough credit.
The trick is, you have to woodshed just like anything else. If you can blow bend well, you can overbend and play single reed bends for sure.
I've said this a lot now, but I don't play with the typical light touch of a OB player. I play with a pretty standard blues attack (I don't play hard or incorrectly).
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spackle20
35 posts
Oct 18, 2012
8:13 AM
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HarpNinja,
>>an overbend setup is where it is at
Sorry to be dense but does overbend refer to overblow, or this weird valve-like bending ?
>> I can now get those bends on harps that haven't been embossed.
Interesting. I wonder what is going on there ? Mine has been embossed (Seydel 1847 hybrid). It seems since both this valve like bending and overblows need a reed to choke, you would need a tight slot either way.
I sure would be interested in hearing you play using this technique if you ever get around to recording.
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HarpNinja
2785 posts
Oct 18, 2012
8:28 AM
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It may end up being a crappy iPad vid, but I'll get on it.
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HarpNinja
2787 posts
Oct 18, 2012
11:07 AM
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Crappy iPad vid completed over lunch. I can't get it to upload to dropbox, yet, but will see what I can do.
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