snowman
9 posts
Oct 07, 2012
8:17 AM
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hi-I play guitar as well as harp--with guitar you get distorted sound after the fact with pedals---very easy to control-- so I thought why not do the with harp---any way my set up as of now -1] audix fireball with standard mic cable going into 2]nady DMP2 mic pre-amp [with output volume at about 9 0clock or about 30%] then 3]the output [now hi z] goes to lone wolf octave pedal only [via a standard 1/4" cord] [still hi Z] 4] the out from octave pedal [still l/4 hi z] goes into a hi to low z 'inline' transformer 5] the lowz mic cord attaches to any stage mic--6] then to pa---WHY this' on the the 'blues cruise' jams -u need to be able to set up quick--u need to be able to hear yourself--last time i kept trying to use amps on stage everyone on stage said' too loud' so i turned down and no one else could hear--I'm going to 'tip the sound guy ahead of time' to work with me-honestly -best way on cruise is through PA -very controllable- can control monitor mix to hear yourself-- can control what audience hears--etc--also the octave pedal is cool--it gives a somewhat controllable distorted sound-it boosts the mids and lows-- sounds 60-70% chicago sound-- an amp always better etc but [what a hassle on the cruise]--also this set up allows me to plug in with any band quick set up time and still have chicago sound--QUESTION--ARE MY IMPEDANCE LINE UPS OK??? IF THEY have a 'DI BOX' WHERE WOULD THAT COME INTO PLAY??
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lumpy wafflesquirt
635 posts
Oct 07, 2012
8:31 AM
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how do you attach a mic cord to a stage mic'?
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Joe_L
2092 posts
Oct 07, 2012
9:18 AM
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Sounds way too complex for a jam. Why don't you just use a vocal mic straight into the PA? It sounds like it'll take you longer to set up and fiddle with it, than you'll actually be using it to play. At jams, time is critical. The audience and other people on the bandstand don't want to be waiting for someone to get set up.
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Last Edited by on Oct 07, 2012 9:20 AM
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Cole
17 posts
Oct 07, 2012
11:42 AM
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I agree with Joe L... too complex. How about something like this:
1. Audix mic> XLR cable with inline matching transformer> LF Octave pedal> whirlwind IMP 2 DI Box. You can mount the 2 boxes on a homemade plywood pedalboard already wired up and ready to jam.
All you have to do is take it out of a gigbag, set it on the floor... point at your DI box and tell the sound man there's my line out XLR or 1/4" you choose. Plug your mic cable into the LW pedal and start blowing.
Tip: for abreviated pedalboard setup like these where I only use 2 or 3 pedals that can be powered with 9V batteries, I'll for go the power supply. I'll wire it all together and I'll take an old (or even broken) wallwart power supply and cut off the tip with a few inches of cable on it. Then I'll crimp an electrical eyelet onto the end of the wire and screw it down onto pedalboard near the pedal. (you can buy blister packs of eyelets at Home Depot).
When you plug the fake plug into the pedal's DC power plug input, it disconnects the battery so you can keep all your "in" cables plugged up without draining your batteries in your pedals. When you are ready to play, unplug the fake DC power cable on the pedal. When your done, plug it back in.
I do this for a number different situations... but it's perfect for jam/guest situations too. I hate messing with gear when I jam, or sit in, I don't want to be thinking about gear... just music.
The other cool thing about having your own DI Box set up at the end of your signal chain is you always have the opportunity to score points with the soundman becuase he looks at you as a self-sufficient pro. You just made his job easier. I usually find that any soundman that walks back to the board with a smile you put on his face, he's gonna make an effort to get you squared away. I can't tell you how many times this has worked in my behalf for me.
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Joe_L
2094 posts
Oct 07, 2012
12:40 PM
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"I do this for a number different situations... but it's perfect for jam/guest situations too. I hate messing with gear when I jam, or sit in, I don't want to be thinking about gear... just music."
That's the reason why I suggest just using a vocal mic. Vocal mics are everywhere. Quite often, there is an unused one right on the stage conveniently placed in a microphone stand. There is little to no setup time for the player.
If a person is comfortable playing through a vocal mic that's plugged straight into the PA, then the only thing the player has to worry about is playing.
Getting comfortable playing through the PA isn't hard. You just have to do it. Once, you feel comfortable doing it, it's almost a liberating feeling. You'll be happier not carrying all of that extra stuff around to play a few songs.
If you don't feel comfortable for whatever reason, that might be an area to work on. If the reason is tone, technique or confidence, that stuff can all be fixed.
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Cole
18 posts
Oct 07, 2012
1:11 PM
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Actually you have a very good point Joe. I have actually discovered that on my own at home last week. When I practice at home I usually practice using an amp, (I typically use my Ultimate 57> pedalboard> amp).
One day I decided to plug my stock SM58 straight into my amp for comparasion. It was very liberating as you said. I actually liked it... clean, mellow sounding, no feedback and straight foward and simple. After experincing that, I would feel fine about playing straight through a vocal mic at a jam now. I hadn't considered doing that before!
Playing just through a vocal mic through a PA would be like playing naked? LOL
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Last Edited by on Oct 07, 2012 1:19 PM
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Rick Davis
777 posts
Oct 07, 2012
1:38 PM
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yeah, the Fireball mic is really clean. You seem to be looking for some dirt, so you might be using the wrong mic.
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jbone
1074 posts
Oct 08, 2012
4:33 AM
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i like a jam where there is a harp rig in place. failing that i just step to a vocal mic straight into the p.a. after all, most jams have a 3 or maybe 5 song limit so taking time to set up any kind of rig subtracts from the time and also the vibe of the band in place.
if you are part of the house band that setup may be a cool way to go. the whole too loud on stage, too quiet out front thing is ridiculous when you hold guitar amp volume up to harp amp volum e most times.
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snowman
10 posts
Oct 08, 2012
7:54 AM
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thanks for comments---and help--i actually do have a PRE WIRED BOX that I made-- all I have to do is unplug their mic and plug 1 cord in--I forgot - part of the reason is MY mic has a volume control-It will be set at 1/2 when I get things goiing with sound guy--i' m gonna tell him, I don;t have one- so the set p will be hot-tired of using stright 58 through pa-my Lone wolf has a true bypass--I hope that means no battery drain when off?--the nady has on off switch--Cole I want to ask u about the ac plug in deal --may do this for my guitar pedals to prevent battery drain-thanks again-
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Jehosaphat
310 posts
Oct 08, 2012
2:22 PM
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At jams,sit ins etc i like to just use my pedal(s) on battery power ,saves all that hunting round for spare outlets.
Our local electronics shop (jaycar) sells packets of 9v adapter plugs and usually i can find two in a packet that will fit my L/W and Boss pedals.
No wiring needed,just plug in one of the plugs and the battery circuit is cut.
Nice and tidy long as you don't forget that it is in when its time to play.(done that)
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Cole
20 posts
Oct 08, 2012
3:00 PM
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@ snowman- true by pass will not stop your battery from being drained if you leave a cable plugged in your "input". If you do what I suggest or use what Jehosaphat recommends... the battery will be shut off until you pull it out. Most boxes are set up like this. Hope that helps.
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