BluesJacketman
8 posts
Oct 03, 2012
11:31 AM
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What do you all think is the percentage of these two groups of players?
I am a lip purser most the time the only time I tongue Block is to play rhythmatic things or when i am playing by myself for accompaniment.
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harpdude61
1577 posts
Oct 03, 2012
1:09 PM
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Exactly 51% lip purse and 49% tongue block!
I used to be in the mindset of one or the other but I'm to the point now that I use both in practically every song my band plays.
I actually don't think the term lip purser applies to a lot of players like myself. There is no purse or pucker. Lip blocker is more appropriate. If I play 4 draw my lower lip is blocking holes 3 and 5...just a light release and I'm playing a 3 note chord.
You should learn TBing to at least get some of the cool splits and octaves available in every position.
Last Edited by on Oct 03, 2012 1:10 PM
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bluzlvr
491 posts
Oct 03, 2012
1:30 PM
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arzajac
859 posts
Oct 03, 2012
3:04 PM
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That's a good question but I don't know and don't really care.
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MN
194 posts
Oct 04, 2012
3:49 AM
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I'm with arzajac.
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harpdude61
1578 posts
Oct 04, 2012
4:55 AM
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C'mon guys..don't insult the new guy with a "who cares" attitude. If you don't care don't respond...it's not about caring anyway.
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MN
195 posts
Oct 04, 2012
5:33 AM
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Good point, harpdude61.
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Frank
1256 posts
Oct 04, 2012
5:40 AM
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My experience is... and from talking to others is this...A player will usually either adapt their style to use "primarily" either one or the other.
In other words there is a dominate embouchure a player chooses to utilize when making music!
They will incorporate a "secondary" embouchure, usually briefly, and only when absolutely necessary to do get the job done in a more profound or precise way.
I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule, but I find that sticking to one Primary embouchure helps tremendously to keep a coherent and steady musical flow going strong.
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arzajac
860 posts
Oct 04, 2012
6:32 AM
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I mean no insult - I hope it didn't come across that way, BluesJacketman.
My point in regards to the topic is that despite a lot of dispute, it may not be all that relevant.
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Frank
1262 posts
Oct 05, 2012
4:59 AM
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There would have to be at least a few wrong ways wouldn't there? And more the a few right ways I suppose? But to dispute either one as ineffective, I agree can be disputed!
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Stevelegh
597 posts
Oct 05, 2012
11:53 AM
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@Bluzlvr:
I'm stealing your jpeg. Awesome.
For me, I'm tilting the harp and 'lip blocking' as per Jason Ricci and Christelle Berthon. The guys here turned me onto it and I haven't looked back after 25 years of tongue blocking. It's an amazing way to get a nice deep tone and you can use your tongue for staccato, which is vital to hit bent notes on pitch. I'm not playing any blues at the moment, so I'm not needing any TB, but I'd recommend learning both.
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harpdude61
1579 posts
Oct 05, 2012
1:45 PM
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Very important point here Steve! You CANNOT lip block unless you tilt the harp. The tone is incredible if done correctly. Also, if you are considering adding overblows, this is the embouchure that Jason, Carlos, and Christelle use. I know many can get OBs TBing, but for control, bend-ability, and speed..this is the way to go in regard to overbends..
That said, I work every day on my TBing..the full arsenal is best.
Frank is correct above. Even if you do both , one is primary. I would consider the one you would use for a single note solo your primary.
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groyster1
2032 posts
Oct 05, 2012
2:32 PM
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when I first starting buying marine bands,I bought tony glovers instruction book....the best part of the book was tonys instruction on bending...he spoke of dropping your tongue and also tilting the harp....as far as bending from the throat....thats beyond me...
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SuperBee
617 posts
Oct 05, 2012
3:19 PM
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Perception is an interesting thing. Especially when it comes to bending from the throat.
But as to th OP, I don't think there is any way of knowing. I suspect there are more lippers overall because it seems to be how most start out, and many don't go beyond the startup stage, so at any given time there'd be more lippers.
But for established players, I dunno. I have the impression that tongue blocking was probably bigger in the past and that more modern players are lippers, primarily. As the over bending seems to be everyone's bag now.
I started as a purser, turned into one of those lippers who uses the top lip, somehow some tongue started getting involved and I learned I could play bends with tongue on harp, then Dave Barrett taught me that was ok, and now I play tongue blocked all the time and can't imagine why I'd want to do otherwise. I mean why I would want to; I understand why others do. But I just get a real kick out of tongue blocking.
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harpdude61
1580 posts
Oct 05, 2012
3:30 PM
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Bending from the throat is not that hard. Say "kuh" as you try to bend to get started.
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Frank
1266 posts
Oct 05, 2012
3:41 PM
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I forgot the "t"...It sould of read > I agree [can't] be disputed! NOT can be disputed.
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