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HarpNinja
2711 posts
Sep 28, 2012
8:42 AM
I've been listening to Mitch Kashmar's, "Live at Labatt", album. I am interested in what his rig was for that album (not in general). This is probably going to be hard to determine, I know.

I think I hear reverb, as there is a bit of a wash over his playing, but I can't tell for sure. I am assuming he's using a larger amp with a hot mic. I just really like the ambience of the verb, whether it be from the board or his rig. I don't usually use a lot of reverb, but am looking for some good verb sounds from my Line 6 M9 for home recording stuff.

Maybe it is delay, but in listening to, "You're The One", it sure sounds a bit washed out.

Thanks!
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1847
246 posts
Sep 28, 2012
10:06 AM
why dont you ask him?
its not to hard to contact anyone
in the day and age

i bet he has a web site

willliam clarke was a huge influence on him
sounds to me like he uses pretty much the same set up
Joe_L
2074 posts
Sep 28, 2012
10:30 AM
He's on Delta Groove. I would start with Randy Chortkoff. I believe he is on facebook. Mitch might be, too.

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HarpNinja
2712 posts
Sep 28, 2012
10:46 AM
The issue I ran into was no real website to start with. I then thought of going through DG, but figured the likelihood of the question getting passed on would be slim.

I'll try FB. I figured with the immense amount of personal connections here with the blues world, someone would have the inside scoop. Thanks!

***Really, I could just mess around on my own with reverb, but like others, sometimes it is fun to know what people roll with.
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Last Edited by on Sep 28, 2012 10:47 AM
1847
248 posts
Sep 28, 2012
11:03 AM
It' s just that Mitch seems to truly enjoy playing in that hard Chicago blues style on occasion, without the effects and tricks some players like to use. What you hear is just Mitch, his harps and his amp.
HarpNinja
2713 posts
Sep 28, 2012
11:18 AM
Thanks for the link!

"What you hear is just Mitch, his harps and his amp."

A comment like that always gets me...I am hearing his harps through a mic that changes the sound, and then to an amp that my or may not have a built in effect like reverb, but surely has sound shaping controls like bass and gain, that has then been recorded with tone coloring mics that were probably ran through a tone coloring preamp to some sort of analog (or digital) console where plugins like compression and eq are used, etc, etc.

I am not familiar with the club, the room, the audience at this show, nothing...If I had to guess, though, I would say there is a fair amount of the room in the mix - so what I hear as an echo/verb may not be coming from his stage rig of harp-mic-amp, but rather from a room mic.

Either way, it is a cool sorta sound on some tracks. And I believe "no effects" as much as I believe 100% tongue blocked...unless there is undisputed proof, and not just heresay, I don't believe it. Too many guys like to keep their secrets...which is fine...I am just careful about the facts.

I am not picking on harp players to be clear. The same thing makes me chuckle about Derek Trucks and his one-guitar-one-amp-no-effects. He has a heavily modded Super Reverb he has gone to great lengths to replicate, uses the onboard reverb, his guitar isn't stock, and he uses special slides.

***He is also described as not a tricky player in this review. I strongly disagree with that. He plays some super crazy and very tricky stuff on pretty much each cut.
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Last Edited by on Sep 28, 2012 11:21 AM
tmf714
1291 posts
Sep 28, 2012
11:23 AM
Mitch is a Sonny Jr endorsee,so I bet its a Sonny Jr amp-I saw Mitch in July-he said Sonny is currently modding a White Concert for him-
HarpNinja
2714 posts
Sep 28, 2012
11:27 AM
Sans pedals? Was that what he had in July?

Seriously, the intro to Evil Man Blues is just crazy...Wow.
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tmf714
1292 posts
Sep 28, 2012
11:30 AM
Looks like a Boss digital delay-Possibly an RV3 with reverb-

Last Edited by on Sep 28, 2012 11:35 AM
HarpNinja
2716 posts
Sep 28, 2012
1:04 PM
Thanks! I look forward to checking the clip out this weekend.
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1847
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Sep 28, 2012
1:07 PM
bluzlvr
490 posts
Sep 28, 2012
1:29 PM
I just got that CD and I just got through listening to it. I love it.
Featuring local L.A. guitar great John Marx who of course backed up William Clarke...
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5F6H
1384 posts
Sep 28, 2012
2:02 PM
HarpNinja,

Mitch or Randy Chortkoff @ DG are really your best bet, neither the video nor audio clips posted here are from that album...not saying that he cannot have used the same gear, but it strikes me that you were asking specifically about live at Labatt. Do you want "an answer", or "the answer"? ;-)

If the album was conceived as a live album, changes *may* have been made to his regular live set up, engineers often like to record largely dry and add controlled wet in the studio. Is it possible he used an in-line effect/his usual gear? Of course, but it's just as likely things were tweaked in that respect post production, whether instead of, or on top of the regular set up.


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Last Edited by on Sep 28, 2012 2:06 PM
tmf714
1294 posts
Sep 28, 2012
2:37 PM
Killer interview with Mitch-

1847
251 posts
Sep 28, 2012
2:49 PM
i just posted that track cause its a favorite
sounds like mike already has live at labatts record

i believe it was outdoors which may have contributed
to the natural reverb
it was in an amphitheater if i am not mistaken
tmf714
1295 posts
Sep 29, 2012
5:28 AM
Mitch's response from my Facebook page on what gear he used on "Live at Labatt"-

Tom hayadoin, thanks for the props....I used a reissue '59 Bassman and my old Astatic JT30...that's it!....
waltertore
2548 posts
Sep 29, 2012
6:31 AM
that is a nice recording. THere is definetly plate reverb(with delay which is an tonal option with plate reverbs) on the harp and entire sound. A good recording will make you shine if sound good and a bad recording, which is about of what 99% of the youtube videos I see here, will reveal very little of the nuances, which to my ears, seperate the good from bad players. Walter
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boris_plotnikov
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Sep 30, 2012
2:16 AM
HarpNinja
Don't forget some nuances. Any studio recording usually use post processing which makes any instrument sound much different than just after recording. Post EQ-ing, post track compression, master EQ-ing, reverb sends, master compression, enhansing, stereo and time effects. E.g. very good tone for harmonica especially for backup riffs is to make two similar tracks pan them enough hard (up to one 100% to the left and other to 100% to the left) and to move the right on 10-30 ms back (like very short stereo delay). I absolutely sure that reverb is emulation of concert hall or concert room have to be added as a send fx to the final mix to make instruments "farther" and "closer". So I absolutely sure that reverb is a soundguy's job to make mix sounds fuller, so I never wish a reverb pedal or I rare use reverbs in my fx-presets except the situation where I'm also the soundguy (e.g. solo playing with loops or playalongs).

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Last Edited by on Sep 30, 2012 2:34 AM
Joe_L
2077 posts
Sep 30, 2012
3:39 PM
Do you regret asking now?

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CarlA
126 posts
Sep 30, 2012
5:13 PM
It all comes down to tone, dictated principally by your acoustic playing. Really good players, you know, the ones with great acoustic tone and breath control, can naturally add reverb, delay, distortion, and even electrosynthomagnetic musical sounds just by playing from deep within, from the diaphragm. Amps, mics, EQ, pedals, etc have VERY little to do with it!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!
Joe_L
2079 posts
Sep 30, 2012
6:24 PM
Okay, now I'll bet you regret asking.

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HarpNinja
2718 posts
Oct 01, 2012
6:48 AM
Yes. I shoulda just posted the question at GearSlutz.com, lol. I figured it was a studio effect, especially after paying attention to the vocals this weekend - same sorta reverb effect.


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