harpdude61
1541 posts
Aug 31, 2012
6:54 PM
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Facts of life.....the bands I play with are loud...30 years in metal fabrication shop has slightly damaged my hearing...the equipment I use is very feedback friendly so it needs to stay down a bit....I struggle with hearing myself on stage which makes me overplay...which goes against everything BBQ Bob has taught me.
Due to the above reasons I am in the market for an in-ear monitor. I really don't want to throw down a lot for a wireless but would love to if the price is right. I found this http://www.harmonicahonker.com/monitor.htm but it appears to be as pricey as wireless.
Both my amps have line outs so unless I'm going thru the P.A. I could use the line out to the above device. Is it possible to line-out from the board and get harp only if I use the line into the board from the amp?
To be honest, I wonder if my cheap Honeytone Mini-Amp would do the trick attached to my belt? It has a 1/4" line in and a 1/8" line out to small headphones/earbuds. It may be totally different than above device?
I need to be able to do 3 scenarios......miked amp, line out from amp, and amp only.
One ear? Two ears? Seems to help a little if I wear foam plugs...plus it protects the ears.
Remember..I am a tech dummie so if you speak in ohms, watts, volts, impedence, and BTUs, I don't have a clue.
I would love to hear from some of you that know your stuff regarding this. Thanks!
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Greg Heumann
1767 posts
Aug 31, 2012
10:25 PM
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Been covered before.
See http://www.modernbluesharmonica.com/board/board_topic/5560960/818424.htm
http://www.modernbluesharmonica.com/board/board_topic/5560960/3006643.htm
My take - if you want to hear yourself better put an earplig in one ear. In-ear monitoring with a sound guy managing the monitor mix for you - forget about it. You will be so much louder in your head (just from the ear-plugging effect) than the rest of the band you will have no idea how loud you are in the mix.
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/Greg
Last Edited by on Aug 31, 2012 10:27 PM
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harpdude61
1542 posts
Sep 01, 2012
5:02 AM
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Thanks Greg. I do remember talking about it before. I was hoping maybe something new on the market or maybe someone has use the above mentioned monitor.
Another issue is that the band, amps, and monitors are never in the same arrangement at different venues.
I guess part of being in a band is learning to deal with all the variables.
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Frank
1081 posts
Sep 01, 2012
5:47 AM
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HD, I have a stupid question- is the band willing to cooperate with you to help solve your problem, or are you on your own? I understand the concept of LOUD -but, your stating you want to be "a part" of the band and it seems your gettin the short end of the stick and little respect...
Last Edited by on Sep 01, 2012 5:48 AM
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harpdude61
1543 posts
Sep 01, 2012
6:37 AM
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I understand what you mean Frank. I think the guitarist has quite a bit of hearing loss and he is only 30. Maybe I have more loss than I realize. I always ask musicians in the audience and they say the mix is good and overall volume is good.
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Frank
1084 posts
Sep 01, 2012
7:22 AM
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Duane - Hope you can figure out a solution, I can understand turnin up the Volume a lot LOUDER at certain venues, but if your just playin tavern gigs - what's the point? - might as well keep it simple?
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LSC
284 posts
Sep 01, 2012
10:18 AM
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I hate in ear monitors for a variety of reasons. The "plug one ear" suggestion does work to a limited degree. I'll occasionally put finger in ear to hear the harp acoustically off mic if I'm unsure of the the key and need to "test". The problem of plugging one ear all the time is it doesn't really let you properly hear what's coming out of the amp or the band.
You don't mention what you're using for an amp or the size of the venues you're playing. Assuming you're using something smallish my first thoughts would be get the band to turn down or get a bigger amp, not necessarily for more volume as such but to push more air which fills more space and is easier to hear even at a lower decibel level. I don't know if that is technically true but perception is reality.
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LSC
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Greg Heumann
1768 posts
Sep 01, 2012
10:33 AM
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I'm with LSC - and agree - the best defense is a strong offense. There is no substitute for a big amp in order to hear yourself on stage at typical band/jam playing levels.....
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/Greg
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MrVerylongusername
2417 posts
Sep 01, 2012
11:47 AM
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To actually answer Harpdude's questions.
1. Yes - you should be able to do get a harp only mix, but it does depend on what your desk can output. Most consumer small band desks can handle a FOH mix, an effects out mix and 1 or 2 monitor mixes. Bigger desks and newer digital mixers can offer more. Check how many AUX outs there are and how many the band already uses. If there's one free you're in business.
2. Your honeytone will do the trick - basically what we are taking about are compact, beltmount headphone amplifiers. Sounds like the honeytone to me, although you'll want a clean signal. (and also see below)
As for hearing a full band mix - I use a wireless IEM in one ear for vocals and harp (90% of the time I don't have an amp on stage). I can hear the full band and my monitor mix. I also find onstage communication much easier if I have a free ear!
Now the negative - I said the honeytone will work, but as I said in the other thread you started on this, if there is any sudden loud and unexpected noise (dropped mic, crackling cables, popping circuits, kicked spring verb) you will get it amplified in your ear and maybe damage your hearing. Good IEM systems (wired and wireless) have limiters which will kill the signal if it exceeds levels dangerous to hearing. If you buy purpose built stuff you're covered, if you DIY then you're not.
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harpdude61
1545 posts
Sep 01, 2012
5:44 PM
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Thanks Mr. Very! That is the answer I'm looking for.
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