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Resonator
3 posts
Aug 28, 2012
6:17 PM
In preparation for an eventual Sub 30 purchase, I've been trying my hand at Filip Jers' composition entitled "Sub 30" using a half valved Big River. I have not messed with half-valving too much and it's been interesting trying to suss out the bends; regardless, good fun and hopefully the technique translates a bit when I get my hands on one of these new harps.

Anyone else messed about with this tune?


http://youtu.be/CXhcUfzvnng
Resonator
4 posts
Aug 29, 2012
7:04 PM
Not sure how to properly embed this...
tookatooka
3050 posts
Aug 30, 2012
2:18 AM
Allow me.

Gnarly
316 posts
Aug 30, 2012
7:27 AM
Valved bends are much touchier than their UltraBend counterparts.
I found the interface to be pretty transparent on the SUB30--got to play Brendan's personal one, sweet!
Resonator
8 posts
Aug 30, 2012
7:40 PM
@ tookatooka Thanks for embedding... What am I missing?
Resonator
9 posts
Aug 30, 2012
7:44 PM
@ Gnarly... Nice! Yea, I'm psyched to get one when they're more widely available... Half valving seems pretty intuitive but I think it must take some time to really hit the bends without losing volume/ tone...
Gnarly
317 posts
Aug 30, 2012
10:47 PM
Yah, single reed bends are weak! Bren's invention solves that--sell the farm . . . More in September, and lots more in January, that's what I heard.
Pistolcat
292 posts
Sep 01, 2012
4:21 AM
@ Resonator - take a look in the "Forum how to link" in the introduction text on the main forum page. You need some HTML to post working links and embedments. Nice playing, btw!


Although, you're holding your harp upside-down, man. :P
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Last Edited by on Sep 01, 2012 4:27 AM
PT
144 posts
Sep 01, 2012
11:17 AM
@ Granly....I beg to differ. I would contend my half valved bends do not sound weak. You have to practice. But what you gain is a better overall Pro emboucher and better bends all over the harmonica.

PT
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Resonator
10 posts
Sep 01, 2012
8:29 PM
@ Pistolcat... Thanks for the info. I'll check it out.

@ PT.... I really, really like the tone you get out of your harps. I enjoy your Swingin' Easy Cd and I've listened to your version of "Did you Call Her Today" via SPAH 2010 video too many times to count... . I've been enjoying the valved approach and I think with more time spent I should be able to figure it out a bit better.
Gnarly
319 posts
Sep 01, 2012
9:49 PM
@PT I certainly did not mean you--I probably meant me!
jim
1297 posts
Sep 02, 2012
2:56 AM
I don't really see the point in arguing if sub30 replaces valves or not.

If it's different from OBs and VBs in tone - then it's the third thing, accompanying the other two.

Different music needs different sound.

@PT: as I already told you before, you're the best.

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Brendan Power
271 posts
Sep 02, 2012
3:43 AM
PT Gazell does have the best control of valved bends around, and his unique jazz playing on half-valved harps is widely appreciated.

Like other name players there, PT was curious to test the new SUB30 UltraBend at SPAH. He sounded great! Of course, the new double-reed bends on the SUB-30 are the same ones that PT currently bends with half valving, so he was instantly at home on the new harp. The bending technique is slightly different, but he sounded very fluent in just a few minutes.

Forgive me for saying so PT, but to my ears you sounded even better on the UltraBend... :-)

PT is in a class of his own on half-valved harps. For the general player, it is undeniable that the double-reed bends on the new UltraBend are far easier to get and hold than the isolated-reed bends on a half-valved harmonica. Personally I think its bends also have more soul and expression, because they are the same as the normal draw and blow bends on a stock diatonic. Plus you can easily add vibrato and tonal colouring on them.

I invented the half-valving concept in the early 1980s and have used all half-valved harmonicas (diatonic and chromatic) since then. I like the feel and pure sound of half-valved harps, but have always felt they were not a truly satisfactory answer to achieving chromaticism on a diatonic. To me, the tone of valved bends sounds kind of nasal, and they are hard to hold steady at pitch.

Of course PT has emphatically proven that it's possible to play chromatically on a half-valved diatonic but, like high-level overblowing, it's certainly not easy! If it were, there would be a lot of name players taking that path. Instead, most currently opt for overblowing.

But that could change. I believe the soulful tonality, sweet expression and playing ease of the double-reed bends on a 30 reed harp is the best way forward for diatonic chromaticism in the future. It's simple and quick to learn for the majority of players, with a far shorter and shallower learning curve than overblowing or valved bending.

The Suzuki UltraBend is the first example of this fresh approach. All the exciting new bends are there to explore, but I'd be the first to say it is not mind-blowing in terms of tone and volume out of the box. However, it sounds great with some reed embossing - as Filip Jers is showing with his videos.

Richard Sleigh is another respected harpist and customiser who's getting addicted to the UltraBend. Significantly, he comes from a traditional Blues tongue-blocker's perspective.

We've been Skyping recently, and he's shown me some cool ways of adapting it to suit rootsy down-home playing with octaves, double-stops, flutter tonguing and the rest of the Blues player's arsenal of tricks. When you add in the 10 new soulful double-reed bends to that great traditional harp sound, you have an exciting thing going on!

The UltraBend is just the start. I predict that other manufactueres will follow suit in the next year or two with their own 30-reed harps. As more and more players discover the fresh expression and chromatic possibilities easily available, I believe this new design will grow massively in popularity in the future.

Last Edited by on Sep 02, 2012 3:47 AM


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