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OT (somewhat) help with guitar requested
OT (somewhat) help with guitar requested
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Honkin On Bobo
1045 posts
Jun 21, 2012
11:04 AM
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I'm trying to learn a little guitar in addition to harp. While I realize that instruction from a teacher is probably optimal, for financial reasons that's just not gonna happen.
So I'm trying to replicate what I've done with harp, ie. using free sources from the internet to try to teach myself a little guitar. My goals are modest, I'd just like to get to place where i can play some basic blues tunes (not to accompany myself with a harp rack, but as a separate endeavor), getting any better than that would be icing on the cake.
Having gone down the road a bit with harp, I realize the level of work that's required to master an instrument, but i also realize the importance of a solid approach.
With harp, Adam's video's, the stuff that Barrett's put on the internet that can be accessed for free, and others like Jason, Michael Rubin and Ronnie Shellist's youtube videos...coupled with all the ad hoc advice that appears on this forum from members has been invaluable and forms the basis for a good self directed program.
i'm trying to do the same thing with guitar. Do any guitar players have any recommendations about what worked for them in this respect?
One again, paid lessons and any sites which are fee driven are out of the question for me. Is not that I think that they don't have value, I'm experiencing cash flow problems and paying for what amounts to a hobby (though a serious one) is out of the question right now.
Lastly, I've done some homework on this but it's easy to get overwhelmed with what's out there (and all the stupid play like hendrix in 30 days claims).
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KingoBad
1121 posts
Jun 21, 2012
11:14 AM
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Www.justinguitar.com
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Danny
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
1170 posts
Jun 21, 2012
11:25 AM
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Just learn rhythm guitar. My grandpa often said everybody should know how to play rhythm guitar, life is a lot easier if you do that.
Last year, I got together with a couple guys and we were starting a band. We had one guy who could play fiddle and mandolin, so he was going to be the lead player. My usual guitar player could play a bass fiddle, so we needed him for that... so that left the harmonica player as the guitar player. Problem was, I couldn't play guitar, so I had to learn pretty quick. I knew maybe four chords from a guitar class I had in high school. Two weeks later, I was on stage, playing guitar and nervous as hell, because I'd only been playing guitar for two weeks.
You can see a part of that first show here
But, I suppose it really wasn't that hard and the only real problems I had were due to the extreme nervousness and doubting myself. Learning one instrument prepares you for the next, but if you notice on the clip I've linked to, I wasn't doing anything complicated, I was just laying down a simple rhythm. That's what I could do, so I did that. I didn't, on stage anyway, try to do something I couldn't do. As you go on, you can add different stuff as you're comfortable. If you look over at the 4 clips from Central City thread, there's a clip of me playing guitar the other day, doing some different stuff.
My point is, you don't have to be Luther Perkins to play guitar in a band.
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David
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Last Edited by on Jun 21, 2012 11:27 AM
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Hobostubs Ashlock
1833 posts
Jun 21, 2012
11:26 AM
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Hey this is nice Kingobad is it all free,I took a quick look and was just looking for something ,I been taking guitar tricks off and on doing there blues section ,I was about halfway though,when funds got low,and was just looking last night,for a study plan that was free,I looked on utube but didnt find anything that was desighned like a course,Im definetly going to give it more atention.
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Hobostubs
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billy_shines
586 posts
Jun 21, 2012
11:31 AM
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why dont you play simple like a 3 string in open or even one handed like deak harp. i could play bring it on home on a standard guitar. i couldnt do anything cool till i got a chromatic tuner. ive been playing open G ever since. picked up some lighning hopkins things. i learned 3 chords for open G from this guy, i dont play any of them right. i focus on the one trick pony gods.
Bo Diddley
John Lee Hooker
Elmore James
Chuck Berry
lightnin Hopkins
the one trick im developing is the arabian blues fusion i call it confusion. you would call it annoying. i dont care if i do it the rest of my life. i have arthritis so bad i refuse to shake hands i dont care i do it for me screw teachers id like to see them all eating dogfood.
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shadoe42
183 posts
Jun 21, 2012
11:33 AM
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What are you guitar goals? electric? acoustic? That might help folks point you in the right direction.
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KingoBad
1122 posts
Jun 21, 2012
12:16 PM
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Honkin', I would start by learning a shuffle in E. There are some solid YouTube vids on it. Then check out vids for turnarounds in E.
You will learn the basics of getting by and will have the mechanics for all kinds of shuffle tunes. You can actually "shufflefy" a huge amount of blues tunes while you are waiting for your skills to improve.
I would agree with Dave that rhythm is where it is at. If you can't lay down and keep the groove, you ain't got nothing.
Then learn the minor pentatonic patterns(and major it's not that hard). And you will begin to hear the workings of a solo. They will also help you create fills and turnarounds.
I am a hack at best, but I have made a lot of progress in the last two years and occasionally get paid for playing guitar (go figure).
As soon as you get a basic groove for a song, learn to sing with it. It will pay off with timing even if you will never be singing in public.
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Danny
Last Edited by on Jun 21, 2012 12:42 PM
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Hobostubs Ashlock
1836 posts
Jun 22, 2012
1:13 PM
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KingoBad your the man,I say again thanks,I checked out and worked a few hours on a lesson that was basically setup like the lessons I was taking at guitar tricks,that cost 15$ a month and could no longer afford,Its setup like a step by step course(free) like I was looking for and couldnt find,thanks for posting
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Hobostubs
Last Edited by on Jun 22, 2012 1:14 PM
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
1178 posts
Jun 22, 2012
1:35 PM
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If you're gonna play electric, learn the power chords. That way, you actually only learn like two chords - a minor and major. Then you just move that around the neck to get different chords.
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David
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At the time of his birth, it was widely accepted that no one man could play that much music so well or raise that much hell. He proved them all wrong.
R.I.P. H. Cecil Payne
Elk River Harmonicas
Elk River Harmonicas on Facebook
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Hobostubs Ashlock
1837 posts
Jun 22, 2012
2:34 PM
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a 1st and a 5th are you crazy,thats devil chords,;-)
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Hobostubs
Last Edited by on Jun 22, 2012 2:34 PM
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Gerry
9 posts
Jun 23, 2012
7:07 AM
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I've taught guitar for 20 years and can offer some quick fixes or shortcuts, but I'd recommend you start at the beginning and learn (in this order)
1, Open Major Chords A, C, D, E, G, F
2, Open Minor Chords Am, D, Em
3, Open Dominant Seventh Chords A7, B7, C7, D7, E7, G7
4, A Minor Pentatonic/ Blues Scale "Box" pattern
This way at least you have enough shapes to play 1000's of songs, and you (hopefully) won't pick up any bad habits which hinder doing some of the simpler stuff.
You should be able to Google lots of references.
Make sure you've got an electronic tuner.
And try and make contact with someone who can play, so at around the 3 month mark they can just check that everything looks good.
(I once taught a guy who'd spent 12 months reading chordboxes upside down.)
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Honkin On Bobo
1046 posts
Jun 25, 2012
7:37 AM
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Thanks to all who responded.....great tips.
Appreciate it.
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Andy Ley
173 posts
Jun 26, 2012
4:50 AM
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Sorry to chip in a bit late, but can I recommend you read some of the exercises at guitarprinciples.com?
I would particularly suggest working through these beginner lessons, they don't so much cover what to play, as how your should be playing it. Some of the tips on this website made a huge difference to my guitar playing after 10ish years of struggling.
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easyreeder
327 posts
Jun 26, 2012
6:36 AM
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David, you win the cojones award for walking onto a stage and singing while playing the guitar with only two weeks of practice. You pulled it off, too. Way to go.
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billy_shines
593 posts
Jun 26, 2012
7:11 AM
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tune the guitar XGDGBD (5 strings) blang on all 5 open thats a G, then count down 5 frets and place your whole index finger aross and blang 5 strings thats a C then count down 7 frets and blang all 5 thats a D. now try singing and playing blues in a one two three four count.
G AM AN OLE BLUES DOUCHE WIF SUNGLASSES AN A BERET
YAY YAY YAY
C AM AN OLE BLUES DOUCHE WIF A FEDORA HAT AND DARK SHADES
G
D I POSE FOR PICS WITH MY NEICES SO PEEPLES THANK I COULD STILL GIT LAID
G
D (TA DA DA)
(HARP SOLO)
(TOOTLE SOLO)
(SHRILL PENCIL IN THE EAR TWEAK THE MIC SOLO)
(TRAIN CHUG FADE OUT)
(AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION STILL CLAPING ALONG AFTER YOU FINISHED ENDING)
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