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K_Hungus
126 posts
Apr 21, 2012
12:40 PM
Hey People,

We had a topic on the dutch harp forum about folsom prison with vocals and harp rhythm. We thought it may be cool to all post a version. Here is my go at it that I recorded today.

If you have your own version please post it, I like to hear others try at it.

Last Edited by on Apr 21, 2012 12:43 PM
hvyj
2345 posts
Apr 21, 2012
1:24 PM
Suggestion: Stay off the minor third (draw 3 half step bed) when you chug and hit the major second consistently (draw 3 whole step bend) instead. I think you are hitting a little bit of each at different times.

On this tune, a harp player needs to work off of a MAJOR pentatonic scale (which has the major second, not the minor third). This is a subtle point, but it makes a BIG difference stylistically--especially when you playing that chugging riff repetitively all the way through the tune.

The difference between using the 3 draw whole step bend and the 3 draw half step bend is a big part of the difference between playing country and playing blues

Your groove and tone is cool. I liked it.
K_Hungus
127 posts
Apr 21, 2012
1:55 PM
Ok, I try out your suggestion! But from what I hear I only use 3 half step bend, just a few times through out the song(around the changes). Is that what you mean though?
easyreeder
309 posts
Apr 21, 2012
2:34 PM
Sounds good Hungus, that's a fun tune. Here's an acoustic version I did with a few friends, live, on our local college radio station. (No video on this)

Last Edited by on Apr 21, 2012 2:52 PM
K_Hungus
128 posts
Apr 21, 2012
3:04 PM
That sounds great easyreeder,

I think the ritmic harp thing lends itslef better for an acoustic version. In my track it's a little bit too busy. Unfortunatly I just had a backingtrack (which is amazing, I think) but I couldn't mix the instruments indivdually.

I really like how the harp and the guitar don't get in eachother way. They blend in to eachother. Great version!
easyreeder
310 posts
Apr 21, 2012
3:18 PM
Yep, it helps enormously when the other musician's know you're there and leave room for you.
hvyj
2346 posts
Apr 21, 2012
5:30 PM
@KHungus: Well, maybe my ear isn't entirely accurate. But, as you chug, bounce between the 3 draw and 3 draw WHOLE step bend. It will give your playing a distinctive country sound/feel.

Major pentatonic scale, 2d position: 2D/3B, 3D**, 3D, 4D, 5B, 6B. Other useful scale tones are 2B and 6D. So, construct your licks from these.

Now, you are just playing a rhythmic chug all the way through, which is ok. But use that 3 hole whole step bend to bounce between 3D and 3D** as you do that same chugging lick, also using 3B or 2D. In fact, to get the feel of what I'm suggesting, just for exercise, try playing through the whole tune using just 3D**, 3D and 3B and no other notes to hear how that part of the major pentatonic scale works on a tune like this. It's very doable with a little discipline. (I'm not suggesting that you actually perform the tune that way--but try it for exercise and you'll be surprised how much mileage can get from just those 3 notes and it will improve your control).

Your feel is terrific and you are playing with very good time--I'm just trying to refine your note selection to better fit the style of the material you are playing.

Last Edited by on Apr 21, 2012 5:47 PM
K_Hungus
131 posts
Apr 21, 2012
5:53 PM
I sure do arpreciate your comments hvyj. Doing that chuck more on the 3 and whole step bend, I never thought about that. And it opens a lot of possibilties. I hear it's more country sounding too.

I did one take before this one where I played more single notes. But it didnt feel right, it got too busy. Besides the aim at the forum was to get a sonny terry like rhythm on this track.

However your ear is not quite right on this, de pattern I do is all a variation on this on:

2d 123d 2b 123d
SuperBee
233 posts
Apr 21, 2012
6:23 PM
Karel, I can't see anything to listen to
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K_Hungus
133 posts
Apr 21, 2012
6:39 PM
Hmm that must be your computer I think. For everyone else it's working. What does it say?
hvyj
2348 posts
Apr 21, 2012
7:04 PM
Yeah, my ear may be off. But 2B is a good note for this tune. Don't be afraid to use 3B instead of 2D if it makes the breath pattern more comfortable.

A player who is really good with country material is Mickey Raphael, the harp player for Willie Nelson. Also, Charlie McCoy, of course.
tmf714
1081 posts
Apr 21, 2012
7:51 PM
Cut in one take in the studio-

Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2012 7:20 AM
easyreeder
311 posts
Apr 21, 2012
7:55 PM
@tf714
Whatever you posted isn't showing up in Firefox or Safari (for me).
SuperBee
234 posts
Apr 21, 2012
8:42 PM
iPhone issue maybe. Op I mean. There's just a blank space after your text, large enough for a utube clip. I'll try logging in from the desk
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Last Edited by on Apr 21, 2012 8:44 PM
harpdude61
1366 posts
Apr 22, 2012
2:19 AM
I play this often when sitting in at open mics and such.

My chug is similar except I go to a blow 1,2,3 chug when the song goes to the IV chord. Quite effective.

I also like to add in the train whistle after the lyrics "when I hear that whistle blowin". Some like the 4/5 double stop bent but I prefer the 3/4 double stop bent. You can waver on it a little more.

Try playing the guitar solo on harp or something similar. The one from the original by Cash works on harp too.

Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2012 2:22 AM
hvyj
2349 posts
Apr 22, 2012
6:39 AM
You can also try a 5/8 draw split for the train whistle.
K_Hungus
134 posts
Apr 22, 2012
1:01 PM
Damn I like that version tmf714! It's dirty, mean and mighty unclean. I might try to get someof the melody stuff you do on the singing, if I ever have another go at it.

@harpdude and do the whistle too!

Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2012 1:03 PM


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