Mike, I was wondering how you finally resolved your pursuit of enough volume you raised in this post: http://www.tedsforums.com/forum/index.php?topic=4987.0 I asked a similar question here recently and I got a lot of good replies -including yours. Just wondering if you went with 4-10"s and which.
Last Edited by on Apr 15, 2012 11:52 AM
Ok, some more searching found chapter and verse on this. 1210, do you still use it and has your opinion of it vs the 410 changed? The bottom line is that I need to be able to hang with guitar players balls freaking loud. It's certainly not my preferred situation but sometimes it's the way it is.
The 1210 was a great amp. I sold it as I wasn't gigging with full bands, nor, as much as I want to, do I see that happening in the near future.
IMO, the issue with volume is generally feedback. Even with a lot of boutique harp amps, it can be an issue. I am trying to learn more about controlling this via the tools I have in my POD HD500 - noise gates, filters, eq's, etc. Oddily enough, I had a hard time finding info on controlling feedback beyond reference to a few frequencies. A Bassman RI and Kinder AFB+ are PLENTY loud for any of my needs. Just the RI may not be?
My initial solution was to just play through the PA and use a monitor. I also sing, so I always end up with a monitor anyways. I've used a Tech 21 Sans Amp Bass DI and POD HD500. The 21 is awesome and analog. The POD sounds great, but it has a STEEP learning curve, one which I haven't perfected.
My last few YouTubes are with the POD.
That is a clean Bassman patch with an uncupped mic going through a shitty PA, and I think it still sounds pretty good.
I was all set to share some home studio clips this weekend and then ended up f'ing up my patches. Right now, I can get a good harp sound at about 4x10 volumes using the POD and my monitor.
I am trying to test options for killing feedback so I can use it with a full band. This is tricky as it is only a 1x10 PA speaker and I am setting up the rig for clean/dirty sounds and the use of effects.
I jammed with it and a full band at gig volumes last weekend. That is where I screwed up my basic live harmonica patch. It ended up being a feedback issue, but I fixed it the next day.
I don't have access to a large amp to A/B against, so this has been a tricky quest. ---------- Mike VHT Special 6 Mods Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas - When it needs to come from the soul...
Last Edited by on Apr 16, 2012 8:13 AM
I play at a couple of different jams on a regular basis and one of them is uncontrolled stupid loud. I have tried everything there and elsewhere over the years from a Kalamazoo through the PA to a Meteor to an SJ410, Super Sonny, Cruncher, Super Cruncher and Avenger.
I disagree that the issue with volume is feedback. The Kalamazoo will feedback long before it has a prayer of being heard. Any amp will feed back so it comes down to how much sound you can pump out before that happens. The recipe involves power, speaker surface area, amp gain, and amp cut. Note the last has to do with tonal makeup and settings as well as speaker config - and can make the difference between hearing you amp on stage, or not.
The Avenger has been the best of the above amps (12, 10, 2 8's), the SUper Sonny (4 tens) the next best. I had the chance to compare an HG1210 to the Avenger in my garage - it was ALMOST as loud before feedback, but without testing in a true performance environment you just don't know.
I just did up this Excel sheet out of my own curiosity. If anyone knows a popular example name amp for "guit 1" or "guit 2" let me know - also if there are other known configs you're curious about let me know and I will extend the chart. It is sorted by speaker surface area.
I have been playing lately with my Super Sonny, and Kinder. Also, I cut a 2X4 into 2 wedges, and store them in the back of the amp. I use the wedges to tilt and adjust the amp. Now I can hear, regardless of how loud the stage. Though it still sucks to play loud. ----------
