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banjotuba
8 posts
Dec 11, 2011
6:56 PM
Recently I was accused of playing horn lines on harp, rather than jamming all the time. IMO, playing a horn line and comping is not a terrible thing. I've been to many open mikes where a harp player is trying to play all the time and is stepping all over the other players.

Is there some kind of balance we're supposed to strike? I would be happy comping all the time if that's what makes our listeners happy.

One more point of information: I grew up playing horns in jazz band in school; just to clarify what I mean by horn lines.
FMWoodeye
117 posts
Dec 11, 2011
7:15 PM
Well, I grew up playing trombone and have played in a few 5-4-4 configuration big bands. I have drawn on some of the licks from the forties big bands as well as classic rock and even some classical stuff to play on harp so that I have something "original" (meaning not stolen from the usual places) stuff to offer. I believe in drawing on ALL your experience. Hell, I've lifted an entire muted trumpet solo from Tuxedo Junction that rolls just fine in a 12-bar blues context. In fact, since I have been trying to pick up bone again, I've started playing harp lines on the bone, and a lot of it translates pretty well. Rock on, young fella.
FMWoodeye
118 posts
Dec 11, 2011
9:43 PM
@clyde...yeah, accused...he's just under indictment, not even convicted yet.
Greg Heumann
1372 posts
Dec 11, 2011
11:16 PM
I don't understand. By "jamming all the time" does your accuser mean improvising and playing over others while they're soloing? That ain't good for sure. I am both a horn and a harp player. I am frequently complimented for playing horn lines while I am accompanying others. When it is my turn to solo, I solo. When it isn't, I lay out, or accompany as appropriate. That might mean horns lines. When I'm playing harp and there are other horn players, we play lines together in harmony. Not only is it totally appropriate, it sounds great.

I just can't understand where your accuser is coming from.



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Last Edited by on Dec 11, 2011 11:17 PM
HTrain
57 posts
Dec 12, 2011
8:59 AM
Last couple of jams, a pro horn player is inthe group I'm up with. Good guy, very good trumpet player. During the first song, I tell him to tke the fills and he says "let's do them together". I listen to him and harmonize the fairly simple lick (I'm sure he had pity on me). It was very cool, and like Greg says, sounded great. Horn player smiles and in the next song, tells me to start and then adds to my fills. What a great learning experience and the feedback from the crowd was very reassuring. Total fun!
clyde
181 posts
Dec 12, 2011
9:51 AM
that's just how it should go... kind of like this

Reverend Jimmie Jive
32 posts
Dec 12, 2011
10:07 AM
Harps are often thought of as a "Mississippi Sax" and sometimes used to sub for an organ or accordian as well

playing horn lines on a harp is more than acceptable,, it is often highly respected and desired

Little Walter his elf emulated the sax,, possibly his biggest influence

there are a lot of harp guys who would envy your ability to do that BanjoTuba... and a LOT more who should

depends upon the Blues genre tho.. completely inappropriate in Piedmont blues.. very appropriate in most urban blues--and if your band does BB KIng... I consider a simple horn hook to be essential on the harp if no horns are present, or if they lack one man..

Last Edited by on Dec 12, 2011 10:08 AM
timeistight
261 posts
Dec 12, 2011
10:41 AM
Maybe I'm a little dense, but I'm having trouble figuring out what you're saying.

"Recently I was accused of playing horn lines on harp, rather than jamming all the time."
I don't understand this sentence. Who "accused" you? What did they want you to do/not do?
"IMO, playing a horn line and comping is not a terrible thing."
But aren't "playing horn lines" and "comping" two different things?
"I've been to many open mikes where a harp player is trying to play all the time and is stepping all over the other players."
That's not good.
"Is there some kind of balance we're supposed to strike?"
Balance is good; I'm in favour of balance.
"I would be happy comping all the time if that's what makes our listeners happy."
Again, I'm not really sure from this what you mean by comping.
"One more point of information: I grew up playing horns in jazz band in school; just to clarify what I mean by horn lines."
Sorry, that did really clarify your meaning for me. Do you mean riffs? Guide tones? Chordal pads?
garry
155 posts
Dec 12, 2011
7:14 PM
some nice harp/horn interplay. recording quality is poor, but you get the idea.

clyde
186 posts
Dec 12, 2011
7:44 PM
lee oskar and the sax man from war play together well also
Miles Dewar
1171 posts
Dec 13, 2011
5:26 PM
Wants you to jam all the time?! As in Constant playing? Strange.


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