Since joing this forum I have heard lots of opinions of what is modern. I recorded this one this afternoon. To my ears it is modern because it sounds different than what I normally hear coming out of me. Does that make it modern or a disquised/twisted model t? Is that what modern is- a disguised/twisted old sound? All opinion. I love that abotu art. We are all equally qualified. Walter
---------- walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year. " life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
It sounds Walter Tore. It doesn't matter what you do it will have that Walter Tore signature sound. ---------- Wisdom does not always come with old age. Sometimes old age arrives alone.
---------- walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year. " life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
thanks Ryan! Actually it is not modern to me. It is in the vien of stuff I played when I was playing with buddy bowzer the horn player for the NY Dolls. It was kind of pre sultons of swing sound. It came from the big ballads of the bands like bad company and before that the weeping soul stuff and before that Frank Sinatra and before that the Blues. That is what I was wondering about with the word modern. It all is rehash of some sort if you pick it apart. IMO what makes it modern sounding is when someone can make their sound identifiable from the masses. Walter ---------- walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year. " life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
thanks for listening walterharp! I agree. I see most people trying to do modern making concious efforts to be different. That usually hits me as stiff/preconcieved/unatural. I prefer the modern to be found via discovery/mistake. It is more natural that way and a natural outgrowth of oneself vs. an outside idea being fitted to oneself. I learned from my martial art instructor to build a system around a students strenghts and weakness vs. trying to put them into a specific system. That will create an artist vs. a technician. It is clever this new stuff with making a harp sound like other instruments but I don't see it as modern, just an emulation of an already established sound. Walter ---------- walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year. " life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
"I see most people trying to do modern making concious efforts to be different. That usually hits me as stiff/preconcieved/unatural."
I don't think you are giving yourself enough credit! If this is truly how you feel, the wouldn't Spontobeat be stiff, etc? It seems to me a style of music based soley on creating music in the moment, by very definition has to be modern. Your signature is a great example of being modern - in the moment. Doing the same old same old isn't much of an adventure.
You've had to make at least some concious effort to be different and/or modern. In previous posts you've intentionally mentioned how you are different than the norm, etc, so I know you realize what you do doesn't fit the mold. Your whole gimmick is based off of being different.
I am not sure you're intent with those comments, but you of all people should realize that making that concious decision can be very important.
For some people, being different is a very profound experience (think of how dead science would be if people didn't intentionally challenge the norm). For others, just a way of fitting in with socially (think of how en vogue it is to be different by being goth).
"I prefer the modern to be found via discovery/mistake. It is more natural that way and a natural outgrowth of oneself vs. an outside idea being fitted to oneself."
Who decides that? I mean, how do you know when it is a natural thing vs fitting an idea? I can't think of a better example of ideas being fitted to oneself than being a traditional blues musician. However, that doesn't mean to pass judgement on that path.
For many people, how they live their lives has very little to do with trying to be modern and more about pushing themselves or thinking outside the box. I do agree, though, that a lot of people do things because they are trendy, etc.
It isn't so obvious, though, which side people are on unless you have a real good read on them. It makes me happy to see people passionate about something and chasing it. I don't care if it is old or modern, just so long as they are going for it.
I am not a huge fan of backing tracks, for example, but there are people doing stuff with them that I can at the very least appreciate and respect. I may not enjoy it at a level where I would call myself a fan, and I have my opinions of the matter, but who am I to decide its intent, merit, etc? ---------- Mike Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas VHT Special 6 Mods
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FMWoodeye: Thanks for listening! I wore out many a doors albums as a teenager. I couldn't wait for a new one to come out. One thing I loved was the sonic quality of the doors recordings. Theirs and Sinatras have influenced how I try to capture my music sonically more than any others. Sinatras capitol and reprise stuff gives me the feeling I am sitting in the room with the performers and the room sounds so nice. You can hear every little thing so clearly. Pretty much the same for the doors stuff as well only with an amplified/man made reverbs vs. the natural reverb chambers sinatra used and a harder edge. It is a never ending simple puzzle that is so difficult to figure out. I love the challenge. Life is good. I have my own recording studio building and good gear in it. It allows me to be totally relaxed with no $ stresses that use to go with going in studios in my past.
I am sitting in my classroom today with no kids- a day of rest for teachers labeled teacher workday. I am reading the book - Sessions With Sinatra. It is about how sinatra recorded music throughout his career. It is very intersting reading from a recording perspective. It also shows me how different my spontaneous music is from most others in regards to picking songs to do, arranging songs, rehearsing, retakes, etc. I wish I could swipe some of those mics, tape machines, mixing boards from the pictures in the book! Also the spaces he recorded in were acoustical jems. Natural reverb was what they were about. Walter
Walter ---------- walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year. " life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
Well, it does not use the I, IV , V chord progression. I heard the 2nd (or 9th) scale tone a lot. There was a thread a while back that asked if the 2nd was the new blues scale note.
I don't call it modern, but I call it different style or feel from most of your tunes.
I say your tune "gonna rock my baby around the world" was a frisky Walter just thinking out loud, and singing from his heart. :)
---------- walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year. " life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
Sounds like something Roy Orbison or Tony Joe White would do. Has a little bit of swamp blues in there. ---------- Emile "Diggs" D'Amico a Legend In His Own Mind How you doin'
Hi Diggs: I did a benefit for a town in TX hit by a massive tornado. It was organized by tony joe white and waylon jennings. Neil young and I were also on the bill. Tony played a white strat with just a drummer. He sounded a lot like lightning hopkins with a jimmy reed type racked harp. I always have dug tony's sound and it was evident that day what big music business did to his music. They took a very rootsy guy and put big arangements around the songs. I prefered his stripped down version at the benefit. It was a hot day, and a hot day in texas is hotter than most people know about, and waylon opened his 2 busses to anyone that needed to cool off. It was at a fairgrounds with no shade. Waylon spent all day seating people and serving them cool water. Neil Young just paced all day grumbling to himself. I was lucky to be a part of that gig. Unfortunately it wasn't advertised well and only about 100 people came out and the place could have accomodated 5,000. Quite a treat for those that came seeing neil young solo, waylon with his full band, and TJW, but no money for the people of Jarrel TX. Willie Nelson and Los Lobos were suppose to be there as well but never showed. It was a strange gig. I figured guys of that level would have all the ducks in a row for a massive turnout. Walter ---------- walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year. " life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
Pre-historic modern post-modern eclectic whatever. It's cool!
Mr. Tore, Since we're dropping a lotta names here, I will hazard to mention that your slow down number reminded me of some of Wylie Gustafson's non-mainstream vocals. He's a "cowboy" musician I heard at the National Cowboy Poetry Gathering in Elko, Nevada last couple of January's. He does the traditional campfire stuff but with his "modern" twist, and he does some outrageously cool stuff too. Maybe he heard you somewhere and got inspired. www.wyliewebsite.com Unfortunately it doesn't have his recent CD "Raven on the Wind". Amazon doesn't have it either. Anyway, keep those creative juices flowing.
Hi lor: I don't recall meeting or hearing Wylie. I think this beat that I use often-slow, dark, voice drifting around, comes for sinatra more than anybody. I really dig the way he would lag behind, accent, etc, with his voice. Also guys like louisiana red, the stanley brothers, model t slim, eric burdon, lazy lester, and jimmy reed, have had a big influence as well. All those guys let their voices go to places that are often labeled "wrong". I dig "wrong"! The music is more from the bad company ballads, pink floyd, the doors, led zeplin, and that era bands. I was way deep into all that up till I discovered blues. Funny how most people label me blues. I hear blues, but tons of other influences as well. To stay in one box creates limits. I don't want any limits.
Thanks for the heads up on Wylie. I will search the net as well for stuff on him. I was so driven in my younger days to play that in looking back on it all now, I am really thankful all my blindly driven determination landed me in some pretty cool circles of musicians! Walter
I found this site on him with music. He has a cool old sound. I wore out a lot of hank williams sr records as well. I dig the way they let their voice go out of the normal accepted ranges kinda like uncontrolled yodelling snippits. http://www.wyliewebsite.com/discography/sound-and-video-clips
Rich Minus, from austin, was also a big influence on my singing and general approach to music. He is a underground legend and spent many a days/nights at our house and at my gigs. I heard dylan was tuning into him way back in his early days. Rich has to be my all time favorite texas singer. Here is a link to his music. Unfortunately the quality of the videos stink.
http://www.lastcallrecords.com/stories/rich_minus.html www.myspace.com/richminusCached - SimilarNot helpful? You can block www.myspace.com results when you're signed in to search.www.myspace.com
here is where his name got know somewhat. Lots of memories here for me. Rich at the hole in the wall, a club I played a ton, and speedy sparks, who played bass with me for years, with the texas tornadoes
---------- walter tore's spontobeat - a real one man band and over 1 million spontaneously created songs and growing. I record about 300 full length cds a year. " life is a daring adventure or nothing at all" - helen keller
