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Dirty-South Blues Harp forum: wail on! >
My first vid,
My first vid,
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Jeffrey van Kippersl
35 posts
Sep 07, 2011
1:47 PM
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ohw my....
Hi there, ive been practicing for about a year and a couple of months now and I was wondering what you guys think of the results.
Ive been practicing with the vid's of Adam and working with a teacher since a the end of last year, Tinus Koorn. And offcourse I used some vids of jason, hakan and ozharp.
This is a free jam, I just picked up the harp and started jamming on a backing track that ive been using a couple of times already .
I wanted to thank Adam for inspiring me to pick up the bluesharp, your lessons, at a certain point I was spending more time with you then with my girl, they are more then a great help. The energy, your open attitude, even when you where telling us something you didnt want to because your were working on it yourself, you didnt take it out. Or leaving the mistakes in. You told it, its not the video's its the work, I took that advice, now I wondering, did it take me somewhere.........
Kind regards,
Jeff
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Greyowlphotoart
787 posts
Sep 07, 2011
1:54 PM
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That's a very good effort especially for the short time you've been playing - OB's as well! If I were to add one bit of advice it would be to place the harp a bit further in your mouth to fatten up the tone.
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Last Edited by on Sep 07, 2011 2:04 PM
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Cristal Lecter
124 posts
Sep 07, 2011
2:06 PM
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Jeff
Playing a blues in 1st position for a beginner is probably not the best way to start...Search on the internet what is the concept of "position", but the best way to play this blues, would be to grab a F harmonica instead of the C...We call it second position. You still can use the C for this blues if you master the blow bends from hole 7.
For the rest, you have to work your backside off on the draw bends from hole 1 to 6, before you can actually play a decent blues. Work EVERYDAY no matter what...I think this is where is the secret.
Finally respect that rule in 3 words: OBSERVE, IMITATE, CREATE....Always in that order
PS: I've made a couple of videos where I was smoking, I don't think it's a good idea since americans are pretty sensible on that subject and might not pay attention to what you do
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Never try to be as good as someone else, succeed to be the best player you can be!
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harpdude61
1010 posts
Sep 07, 2011
4:13 PM
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I agree with Cristal to a point. You might want to try 2nd position for your early public performances....On the other hand, kudos to you for learning overbends and how to use them in first postion. Great for someone that has not been playing that long. I can't imagine playing first position without the 8,9,10 blow bends...so thanks for getting me to think outside my box a bit.
Nice job!
Tell me you are NOT in a limo with sunglasses and a fatty, blowin harp!
Last Edited by on Sep 07, 2011 4:14 PM
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Jeffrey van Kippersl
37 posts
Sep 08, 2011
12:05 AM
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@ greyowl, thats a good one, always seem to loose myself in a jam and forgett about tone.
@christelle, de backing track was in G, I stated out with some third pos notes, used some second on 11 and 12 and started in second on the one. As im practicing on first and third, it seems I got lost again, playing way to much with first pos notes all over the place. But using an f on g backing?
@ harpdude, i dont understand why people tend to use the upper register in first pos only, the ob, 4,5,6 and the 7ud fit perfectly too (?).... And no no limo, its my (jam) camper van, as you can hear my playing needs some improvement before posting vids from a limo :-)
Thanks for the feedback,
Next vid will be a second pos and less spontanius.....
Last Edited by on Sep 08, 2011 12:12 AM
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Jeffrey van Kippersl
38 posts
Sep 08, 2011
12:07 AM
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no 7ud in first, its a second pos note....
Last Edited by on Sep 08, 2011 12:08 AM
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Cristal Lecter
125 posts
Sep 08, 2011
2:50 AM
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@ Jeffrey: if this backing track is in G, my name is Cleopatra
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Never try to be as good as someone else, succeed to be the best player you can be!
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Jeffrey van Kippersl
39 posts
Sep 08, 2011
3:10 AM
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@ christelle, I'm afraid your right, I was fiddling along and understand your remarks way better now its in C
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KingoBad
899 posts
Sep 08, 2011
5:42 AM
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The notes do not belong to any position.
Either you are playing in a certain position or not, the notes remain entirely positionless...
Nice job on your first vid. BTW...
Embouchure is way too tight for my taste, but you certainly are playing well for your time in.
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Danny
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Jeffrey van Kippersl
40 posts
Sep 08, 2011
8:10 AM
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Spot on Danny, that cheek looks way too engaged....
That probably connected to the tone remarks too, it's difficult to combine the embouchures for ob, ud and fat tone draw notes. Tips on practice for these changes and loosening up?
Last Edited by on Sep 08, 2011 8:14 AM
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harpdude61
1014 posts
Sep 08, 2011
9:34 AM
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Jefferey...OB, OD, Bend or Not...major embouchere changes are not needed to go between notes.
What are you calling ud?
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Greyowlphotoart
791 posts
Sep 08, 2011
9:51 AM
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@ Jeffrey. I know what you're saying here. It's good to work on relaxation of mouth and facial muscles and applying the minimum force needed to acheive the overblow.
The bottom line is that in any technique, there is a point when you're still at the learning stage when you think to yourself oh, oh, here comes an OB, 3 step draw bend on 3, warble or whatever it is. Once that thought is in your head the battle commences and you tighten up.
Once your embouchure is as relaxed for an OB as it is for any other note you're pretty well there.
I mean you don't give a second thought to, damn a 2 blow is coming up next. Relaxation and endless repetition is the key, analysing what works best as you go.
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Last Edited by on Sep 08, 2011 9:52 AM
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woogieman007
11 posts
Sep 08, 2011
12:07 PM
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Put it this way my friend I been playing over 3 years and still can't do some of the licks you where doing I am not a fan of F harps as they sound to high for me maybe a low F while using the higher notes would sound better. I am no pro like Christelle but I know what I like, this 1st position debate is interesting as I can't seam to play first only 2ed as I struggle with any blow notes because I almost play in 2ed which is drew notes. Stop me if I am wrong peeps but that's what I think anyway. Any ho grate video and take advise from pros like Christelle and Grey Owl who are fantastic harp players. I have only just joined this site so it's all new to me and seeing all these big names is scary for me but grate to hear there views. Keep it up :)
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Jeffrey van Kippersl
41 posts
Sep 08, 2011
2:53 PM
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Thanks, I value each and every remark made here.....
@harpdude, I know, however, its difficult for me to do it all at once, keeping time, syncopate, choose your licks, listen to the changes, which key (for that matter :-) ), lets say to bring everything smoothly togehter......
UD, my aptitude has some strange connections, underdraw is what I use for overdrawing. Overblow, logical, overdraw seems a bit strange related to the physics there. So underdraw seemed more logical to me.
@grayowl, your so right, embouchure and everything else, I think to much, so I tighten up. I need to practice more and relax.
@woogieman, thanks, hard work, a lot, and its starting to pay off. I will follow up on all the comments given, I can relate to all that is said. I made some horroble mistakes in key and chord change area, ergo, im still thinking way to much and should listen better :-). I can relate to what your saying
However, the next (soon to be expected vid), will show tone and chord obediance. A bit more towards the rules one could say.
Once again, thanks so much......
Last Edited by on Sep 08, 2011 3:00 PM
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Ant138
1091 posts
Sep 08, 2011
11:21 PM
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Thats a pretty cool video Jeff, essecially after one year of playing.
Has that spliff gone square?
Cos it certainly isnt going round!!
Dont hog it next time, lol!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/fiendant?feature=mhum
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Gig74
84 posts
Sep 09, 2011
1:28 PM
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Hey Jeffrey technical stuff aside, you've been playing about the same time as me and you've got me beat :o) I thought you had a pretty good groove going nice work man, keep it up.
Greg
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Living the dream and learning the blues one little trouble at a time.
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markdc70
90 posts
Sep 09, 2011
10:10 PM
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Hey Jeff, I think you're doing outstanding for the time you've been playing! The only glaring thing that I see, just from looking at your video, is that your jaw needs to drop and allow that harp in deeper and open up that tone chamber (which is your throat/lungs). I'm certainly no pro, but I'm surprised Christelle didn't point this out to you first thing. Keep on rockin' man, you're doing great!
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Jeffrey van Kippersl
48 posts
Sep 10, 2011
1:03 PM
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Thanks for the motivating words........
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joeleebush
341 posts
Sep 10, 2011
3:30 PM
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To Jeff:
Man, you are not going to like this. Others aren't going to like it either, but that's too bad. I'm sure you'd rather hear the truth of what I think instead of lies to make you happy.
Sorry, man, it sounds terrible, the stuff you're playing just doesn't fit and it is not pleasing to my ear at all.
Tell you what....use same backing track and pick up a Bflat diatonic. Just put it in your mouth and merely draw and blow while running the harp up to the top of the notes and back down again. (You will be in what is called 3rd position.)
The notes will sound harmonious almost no matter what you do..it's hard to foul up in 3rd if you take your time.
Then start working on single notes that SOUND good...dont sweat a bunch of charts, scales, and stuff at this time. (the mind can be your worst enemy at times). Just concentrate on making it SOUND melodic.
What you're doing now on this tune just doesn't make it.
When I started playing seriously at age 10 back in the stone ages I learned with first and third positions. I was doing first position for old standards like "Tennessee Waltz", Stephen Foster stuff, etc. on a C at the age of 3.
I had no idea what a position even was, but I also had a G harp too and when I played it against guitars that were in what they said was key of A, it sounded great.
I learned second position with a C with the guitars in key of G next.
Nobody believes me when I say I was doing all 3 within 2 weeks of playing them...(you can imagine how much sleep I will lose over that). I've said it many times...it was easy for me. That doesnt mean its easy for others. Not at all!
This backing track is in the key of C. A regular F in 2nd works pretty good with the Sonny Boy theme...a Low F works better (if you're staying in 2nd position).
BUT...that Bflat will definitely sound better here than what you're doing. If you are lost on what single notes to try...just do this, its very simple but it will sound good. Mix it up in different ways.
Draw 1
Draw 4
Use the 4-5 warble or the 4-5 chord
Go up to the top end and draw 8, blow 7, draw 6, blow 6, draw 5, draw 4-5.
That should give you a pretty good start...you can mess around with it from there on your own and get something going. (if I have written these wrong, just shoot me...I did it fast while getting ready to go out the door for a gig.)
Now you can all beat hell of of me for telling the guy like it is.
Regards and good luck with it all.
Joe Lee
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Last Edited by on Sep 10, 2011 3:37 PM
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Jeffrey van Kippersl
49 posts
Sep 11, 2011
1:19 AM
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@ Joe Lee, I asked for peoples opinion so I wont shoot you, I wont hate you or whatever.
I think in a certain perspective your right, as said already, im all over the place and can work on that.
Some people like creativity and some people dont. I asked for your opnion on how Im playing and not what your taste is.
So the fact that you gave feedback, and did it in a straight forward manner, I appreciate that.
Giving your personal / taste opinion in these kind of words (terrible, tell it like it is, Hate (in other posts) might sound offensive to the people your giving it too, this would be contra productive as you took the time to give feedback. Lucky Im mature enough to learn some of your post. Most importantly not to give comment in a certain manner.
All in all thanks for the pointers I fished out your post!
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