12gagedan
91 posts
Jul 08, 2011
2:00 PM
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good work. I couldn't remember which thread it was in.
The , "we were at the gas station and you didn't fill up the tank. . . you're an idiot" bit from Kim's wife cracked me up and made my day yesterday.
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LittleVillage
7 posts
Jul 09, 2011
3:10 AM
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After hearing that conversation, i bet more his idea than hers! probably sleeping better than he has in many years now that that noise is gone!
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LSC
21 posts
Jul 09, 2011
11:38 AM
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@littlevillage - In either event, none of our damn business and no one here's place to judge. The conversation amongst the players was brilliant and surely that is what we need to pay attention to.
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hvyj
1514 posts
Jul 09, 2011
12:34 PM
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Oh, I don't know...it was kind of amusing to listen to KW's wife bitch him out in the background. You know, rag, momma, rag.
The most interesting comment for me was Rick Estrin saying that he gets pretty much the same tone LPing as he does TBing.
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Joe_L
1339 posts
Jul 09, 2011
1:54 PM
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What's interesting about that?
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LSC
23 posts
Jul 09, 2011
2:56 PM
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Oh yeah, the little background rag was funny. I just think who left who and who was right in doing so was irrelevant.
Estrin's comment about getting pretty much the same tone from either technique could be interesting considering the oft heard debate as to which is better. It's all good and at the end of the day I don't care if you play the thing out your backside, if it sounds good it sounds good.
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12gagedan
94 posts
Jul 10, 2011
7:39 AM
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I'm a firm believer in the ability to achieve tone regardless of embouchure. Although I've been tongue-blocking much much more in recent years, doing so at the exclusion of pucker never made sense to me. The differences in attack alone seem worth keeping multiple embouchures in the tool-kit.
You really do get to a point where you can switch back and forth with little difference. It's like transcending technique, once you have enough technique, like at the beginning of "Enter the Dragon".
The point about minutia really resonated with me, as I do think an abundance of burgeoning harpsters get caught up in gear and harps and the fine points of A vs. B but often w/o fundamental techniques and basic understanding of the music. It's easy to do, though, as there is so much info out there.
I suppose I was commenting on the humor I saw in the humanity that showed from this chat. I've spoken to all these guys over the years, and they're totally cool. However, they still resonate in my heart as heroes, or as something bigger than "regular" people. We're all just people. It was a good reminder of that point, Kim's side-discussion, and it was funny, so it tickled me.
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hvyj
1522 posts
Jul 10, 2011
8:43 AM
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"I'm a firm believer in the ability to achieve tone regardless of embouchure."
I agree with this. The thing about TBing is that it FORCES the player to do certain things that are necessary to achieve good tone. A player who LPs has to make a conscious and deliberate effort to do those things, bit if they do, IMHO, substantially equivalent tone can be achieved,
You know, some players with good TB technique claim their tone is better when they TB than when they LP. This is speculation, but I sometimes wonder if the LP technique of those players is actually as refined as their TB technique, since a player really has to work at certain aspects of LP technique in a very disciplined way in order to get the same sort of depth of tone that one gets TBing. But i agree with 12gagedan. It's very doable if you do it correctly.
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harpdude61
887 posts
Jul 10, 2011
9:30 AM
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what hvyj said!
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12gagedan
97 posts
Jul 11, 2011
2:28 PM
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I love Bruce Lee. Now I must quote him:
"Don't think! Feel. It is like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger, or you'll miss all the heavenly glory" I see that as indeed analagous to, "don't worry about the minutia".
"What is the highest technique you wish to attain? No technique" I'll admit my lip pursing has suffered lately. I've been in tongue-block mode for many years, and haven't put in the work to pucker like I used to. I no longer feel transcendent.
Here's a thought: I think it really comes down to actively pursuing good tone. TB may help force the ressonant chamber open, but ultimately, the player must either get feedback or self-regulate towards more toneful playing.
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