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Philippe
82 posts
Mar 21, 2011
5:03 PM
I noticed some SBWII vibratos have a larger variation in pitch than others, notably this one at 3:08.



Is this done with throat vibrato? What is he doing that gives such a large pitch variation?
barbequebob
1604 posts
Mar 22, 2011
7:50 AM
Part of what he does is dependant on the way he manipulates the INSIDE shape of his mouth while his embouchure is steady AND fully relaxed. Think of forming vowel sounds while your doing it.
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waltertore
1206 posts
Mar 22, 2011
8:50 AM
another thing about his vibrato is this- it influenced his singing vibrato big time or maybe it was his singing vibrato that influenced his harp vibrato. I know that the harp vibrato has led to it getting into my singing and guitar playing over the years. Walter
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didjcripey
51 posts
Mar 22, 2011
2:59 PM
Probably my favorite Sonny Boy clip. A great example of less being way more.
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Zadozica
37 posts
Mar 22, 2011
3:06 PM
Either that is a small harp or that man had HUGE hands which results in fantastic wah wah's.
5F6H
570 posts
Mar 22, 2011
3:49 PM
He's doing it with his breath rather than specifically with pitch.
Cristal Lecter
65 posts
Mar 22, 2011
4:06 PM
Ok I'll not even try to autopsy the play of my master, my guru, but having said that, what is impressive is the second voice that Sonny i doing with his instrument.

Like I've said many times, the masters of every instrument have their own sound, because everybody has a different morphology. It's even more true for advanced diatonic harmonica players (Ok Stevie Wonder is the huge exception) since we're the only player who have to "inhale" the sound (same as the chromatic) while shaping the notes, bending them. Sonny is one of the perfect example that he plays like he sings...

I'll not enter into the controversy of saying if it's a tremolo or a vibrato, from Howard Levy and others Sonny Boy is using a tremolo for both his voice and harmonica, but to me it's a vibrato since the voice and the instrument are so intimately linked together.

During my oboe years my two teachers taught me that every time that I'm struggling with a bit of music, leave the instrument and then sing it...And it works all the time. This is the same advice I'm giving to my students.


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Last Edited by on Mar 22, 2011 4:09 PM
bonedog569
274 posts
Mar 22, 2011
4:24 PM
I second what Cristal said. - the master - Jelly shakin on a plate - I tend to believe most of the deeper vibrato is diaphram controlled - as his voice would be. - but I was wrong once - and could be agian.
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Matzen
91 posts
Mar 22, 2011
4:32 PM
I use my diaphram to get that kind of vibrato. It's my personal favorite! I can't get it all the time on all notes, but the more I play the more it just happens!
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Last Edited by on Mar 22, 2011 4:32 PM
Andrew
1312 posts
Mar 23, 2011
9:12 AM
That vibrato (the one at 3:09 and possibly elsewhere - I haven't watched the whole clip yet) is achieved with the middle of the tongue rapidly moving up and down (and also forwards and backwards - not as complicated as it sounds) against the palate. It's not diaphragm vibrato.

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Last Edited by on Mar 23, 2011 10:46 AM
Xpun3414
183 posts
Mar 24, 2011
5:03 AM
to add to this,simply. Yes... Sonny had huge hands. :)
& its a great song too. He was such a cool,smooth cat.

Last Edited by on Mar 24, 2011 5:14 AM
LittleJoeSamson
541 posts
Mar 24, 2011
6:59 AM
I had not much success with trying to emulate SB II, and so after many years of inability, I simply went with doing things that I was proficient at.
So much is dependent on our individual physical makeup that determines what we can, or cannot, do.
So, ...just this past week, I was demonstrating several TB techniques to a student. During this I found that by doing an extreme right side TB, I could GET the SB II effect.
What had changed ? I had two upper back molars pulled about a year ago. Now, the inner mouth airflow has a different path.
Go figure.


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