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TahoeMike00
84 posts
Aug 24, 2010
5:29 PM
What say you - Plants' harp blowing in this classic:
(If you're in a hurry, the the solo begins at 3:06)



Edited: youtube account deleted, so I added the same video from another user account.
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Last Edited by on Sep 02, 2011 11:26 AM
Bb
221 posts
Aug 24, 2010
5:40 PM
Enthusiastic, but not something to aspire to.
Maybe somewhere in the Beginner echelon by Adam's scale.
But he IS ROBERT FRIGGIN" PLANT and that makes him a total bad-ass in so many other ways. :^)
-Bob
ZackPomerleau
1030 posts
Aug 24, 2010
6:18 PM
There are tracks he played better on. You also need to take the context and times into consideration. Robert Plant, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, and John Bonham were all giants in their day, and still are.
Hobostubs Ashlock
981 posts
Aug 24, 2010
6:25 PM
G1 Bb he IS ROBERT FRIGGIN" PLANT lol thats right nuff said
arzajac
320 posts
Aug 24, 2010
7:28 PM
My two cents:

I hear hand effects, I hear clean notes, and not just aimless noodling up and down the harp. He's no beginner.

He moves swiftly and cleanly up and down his passage and hits a very cleanly bent note dead on. Again, no beginner. He uses a high-frequency vibrato that's, for lack of a better word, weird - but he didn't learn that overnight.

He doesn't venture very far musically, but the harp technique is good. In context, this is good stuff. Again, in context (Rock music), a straight up blues lick wouldn't work here anyway.


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groyster1
396 posts
Aug 24, 2010
7:33 PM
led zepplein had no weak points even plant blowin` harp
TahoeMike00
85 posts
Aug 24, 2010
8:30 PM
That song, and especially the harp solo had meaning to me when I first heard it in high school. (Could have been all of the wacky tobacky too)
I always liked harp even when I never considered playing it.
Now it has even more meaning - and without the wacky tobacky.

Edit: And yes -- "he IS ROBERT FRIGGIN PLANT"
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Last Edited by on Aug 24, 2010 8:31 PM
DeakHarp
170 posts
Aug 25, 2010
12:10 AM
The day i saw robert plant play when the levi breaks ... Live At madison square garden ... Led Zeplin .. i had 13 row seats I finaly figured how they got electric harmonica ... He was playing through a mic ... i knew what i wanted to do for the rest of my life ... I been playing harp for 3 years in 77 ... .Im still learning
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jim
340 posts
Aug 25, 2010
1:27 AM
LED ZEP is true music.
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Diggsblues
465 posts
Aug 25, 2010
4:38 AM
On a scale of 1 to 10 a -7.
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Ev630
703 posts
Aug 25, 2010
6:08 AM
Pub jam standard. 2 out of 10.

Overall, I thought the song sucked as an example of blues. No groove, awful vocals (I know he defined that style, but it now sounds like parody), lots of cock rock guitar garbage (which I admit is the real appeal of Zep for most) plodding drums and bass on par with Double Trouble.

I hated it. It was just awful.
The Gloth
453 posts
Aug 25, 2010
7:52 AM
I like the solo on that tune. The live version from their BBC sessions is also cool.

Not their best blues song ("Since I've Been Loving You" cannot be touched) but a very good tune anyway, if you love Led Zep (wich is my case).
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Last Edited by on Aug 25, 2010 7:55 AM
MIKE C.
24 posts
Aug 25, 2010
7:53 AM
Let's just say that there are better examples to learn from.
RunsWithScissors
25 posts
Aug 26, 2010
9:13 PM
Time and context are relavent. I believe RP was 18 or 19 years old when this album was made. So take if from there. I remember picking up that album when it came out. Wow! May not be everyone's cup of tea, but it wasn't a pub jam standard then. It still has legs, today, for better or worse.

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Joe_L
571 posts
Aug 26, 2010
9:25 PM
I've heard worse. This tune made Willie Dixon some money. Eventually.
shanester
206 posts
Aug 26, 2010
9:34 PM
I thought it was great, always have. This is rock music, where passion matters over everything else.

They had a psychedelic edge, he was doing some psychedelic bending, I think it works great.

I think Mick Jagger's stuff works too.

But Canned Heat's Alan Wilson on that cut "Burning Hell" with John Lee Hooker, is my favorite rocker from that period who was playing harp.
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ZackPomerleau
1036 posts
Aug 26, 2010
9:46 PM
The song wasn't about groove, it was just about...deepness. You either get it or you don't I guess.
Ev630
707 posts
Aug 26, 2010
11:21 PM
Deepness. Get it or you don't. Right.

I think I'll be the judge of whether it's deep or whether I get it, Zach.

At least we agree it was not about a groove. That's for damn sure.
gene
546 posts
Aug 27, 2010
4:01 AM
I feel it. I like it.
Shane, Zack: I feel your pain! :D Try being a hard-core Doors fan and explaining THAT to somebody who doesn't get it! (I started to give a brief explanation of it....Can't be done.)
Ev630
708 posts
Aug 27, 2010
5:18 AM
Love is blind, gene, as is nostalgia.

I'm no fanboy for Zep or the Doors but I have to admit Black Dog and Been a Long Time are great, as are the Doors' cliched hits. But I get that you guys are passionate and not objective about it. I guess I'm the same way about "King King". I know normal folks hate that CD, but by god I love it to death.

The truth is Plants is a sub par harp player but it's cool if you enjoy it.

Last Edited by on Aug 27, 2010 5:21 AM
captainbliss
269 posts
Aug 27, 2010
5:47 AM
@TahoeMike00:

Robert Plant's chops?

He's not a harmonica player. He's a great vocalist with great presence adding some harmonica to the song, which he does expressively, communicatively and he's setting up the guitar solo afterwards.

It works for me!

@Ev630:

/The truth is Plants is a sub par harp player/

Perhaps, but he's a good musician. Dunno about you, I'd rather listen to a good musician playing sub-par harp than a sub-par musician playing "good" harp any day of the week.

Twice at weekends.

/King King/

I *love* that album.

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Andrew
1150 posts
Aug 27, 2010
5:47 AM
The whole thing is just a travesty of the blues.
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Ev630
709 posts
Aug 27, 2010
6:02 AM
captain bliss - right. I dig Dylan, too. His whole thing is cool. But I was comparing Plants to blues players. I think that was valid, don't you? If you compare him to Neil Young or Dylan then I suppose no one's bad and everything's great. No need for any more arguing! ;)

Andrew - I agree.
The Gloth
456 posts
Aug 27, 2010
6:26 AM
"a travesty of the blues" ? It's all a question of taste, I guess.

A few days ago I listened to "The Essence of Muddy Waters", a kind of Best Of featuring more than 40 songs (but, strangely, no "Mojo Working"). I found it quite boring, all the songs sounded the same and didn't touch me the slightest.

On the opposite, "Since I'veBeen Loving You" from Led Zep is one of my favorite songs of all time. To me, it's a great blues. "You Shook Me" is not of the same level, even on the same album I prefer "How Many More Times". These guys were not "travesting" (?) the blues, they just played it the way they felt it, like the Stones did, and the Beatles, the Animals, Deep Purple, John Mayall and so on (to name only british bands). What's wrong with that ? Those guys kept the blues alive, and even revived it in the U.S. at a time it had almost disappeared...
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captainbliss
270 posts
Aug 27, 2010
6:26 AM
@Ev630:

/I think that was valid, don't you?/

Possibly.

/No need for any more arguing!/

Probably not.

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Ev630
710 posts
Aug 27, 2010
7:08 AM
Look at the thread title: "rate RP's chops". It's not: "blow smoke up RP's ass".

:)
tmf714
212 posts
Aug 27, 2010
7:09 AM
"Custard Pie" from Physical Graffiti was a much better effort for Plant. Quite possibly due to the band using Ronnie Lanes mobile studio at Headley Grange-also,Plant and the band had advanced musically between the release of the two albums.
Joe_L
573 posts
Aug 27, 2010
9:32 AM
EV630 - are you thinking that TahoeMike might really be Robert Plant seeking feedback on his playing from the MBH forum? That might be a first!
TahoeMike00
86 posts
Aug 27, 2010
9:39 AM
@captainbliss -- LOL, I am not a harmonica player either ;-) I'd be happy right now if I could "play that bad." I know -you- didn't say he played bad, but obviously other people are less than impressed. It's all in your perspective I guess.
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Jim Rumbaugh
294 posts
Aug 27, 2010
9:48 AM
This is my first time to listen to that tune.

I say Robert Plant would be right at home with our gang at The Harmonica Club on Tuesday night. We might learn a few things and maybe he would too.
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Shredder
188 posts
Aug 27, 2010
12:16 PM
The song "You Shook Me" is what made me pick the harp back up!
Soooo, I blame Plant for all the time,money,new friends, and all the good times on stage Iv'e gotten to play in with a real band.
Thanks a lot Robert!!!!
Mike
TahoeMike00
87 posts
Aug 27, 2010
1:17 PM
@Joe_L -- I thought that was just between you and me!

Sincerely,
R.P.
I mean TahoeMike. yeah, that's it.

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ZackPomerleau
1039 posts
Aug 27, 2010
3:14 PM
Hey Gene, I own all of The Doors albums, I LOVE them!!! ;)
Andrew
1157 posts
Aug 29, 2010
1:35 PM
EV630 writes "plodding drums".
Although EV630 and I agree in the main on this, I admit I always found John Bonham the part of Led Zepp that I liked best.
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tmf714
215 posts
Aug 29, 2010
2:23 PM
The best rock drummer that ever lived-John "Henry" Bonham.
bonedog569
74 posts
Aug 29, 2010
6:03 PM
For the context - it's not all that bad. Not really good but I've heard 'rock stars' do worse. What is bad - and IMO this is a borderline case- is the notion that anyone (especially rock stars) can put their lips to this little thing, honk away 'with attitude' and get away with it. That disrespects the instrument and does nothing to add positively to it's reputation.

He would not have brought out a sax, a guitar or any other instrument he was little more than a beginner at, and played a lead on it. Not on a recording, not on stage. Why was it ok to do so on harmonica? - Because it wasn't taken seriously to begin with.

If Jimmy Page played guitar 'as well as' Robert Plant played harmonica - we wouldn't know who Led Zeppelin is.

The magic of music has something to do with faith (and I'm not talking about anyone's religion). If you believe in it and 'go with it' - it will get you off. The audiences 'faith' also gets the musicians off and we have a big happy and high party. That's a good thing. I have very mixed feelings about 'bluesrock' and can see / hear why some would reject this as an affront to blues , while others thoroughly enjoy it as a part of a band they love's repertoire.




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Ev630
718 posts
Aug 29, 2010
9:21 PM
Andrew - I was discussing that one track.

Generally, I think Phil Rudd was a better rock drummer.
Andrew
1158 posts
Aug 30, 2010
1:15 AM
I wasn't trying to put any words in your mouth Ev630.
But I've never been a Zep fan.
I saw the film Song Remains the Same in 1977(?), but I never owned one of their albums until a friend bought me the one with Stairway to Heaven on about 5 years ago.
I used to like Kashmir, but not so that I'd buy the album it's on.

I have a DVD of Antonioni's Blow Up which I haven't yet taken out of its cellophane. If I remember rightly, that contains live footage of Zep when they were still the Yardbirds?
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Last Edited by on Aug 30, 2010 1:17 AM
Ev630
719 posts
Aug 30, 2010
8:32 AM
I've never been much of a fan either. For that era, Beck, Clapton and Hendrix (esp Band of Gypsies) do a lot more for me. (Though I'd rather be listening to James Cotton's Verve-era outfit, LOL).

Actually, listen to Buddy Miles play drums on that Gypsies album. I guess that's the deal for me with rock drums - it kind of has to swing its arse off for me to really like it, or be hard as nails (Rudd). Although I do dig the playing on Southern Harmony and Musical Companion and I have no idea who played on that.
tmf714
216 posts
Aug 30, 2010
9:06 AM
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Drum & Drummer: The following poll conducted my Rhythm magazine lists the 50 albums voted as the top drum albums of all-time. The poll does leave out many highly innovative and influential drummers, but it still provides a good starting point for drummers looking for albums featuring great drummers. There are many drummers and recordings missing from this list that I would consider essential listening.

Considering it is a list of only 50 albums, it does a fantastic job of introducing some of the greats of the drumming world.

I have added my comments about selected albums and drummers from the list. I also give some suggestions for further listening for aspiring drummers and musicians. Many of the listed albums have been (and continue to be) highly influential to my own development as a drummer/musician.

Poll Source URL: MusicRadar.com

A new poll of the Top 50 Greatest Drum Albums is dominated by Led Zeppelin, who have an impressive five albums in the Top 50. The list, published by Rhythm magazine, takes into account the votes of the mag’s writers as well as many of the star drummers the magazine has interviewed over the last five years, including Dave Grohl, Nicko McBrain (Iron Maiden), Matt Helders (Arctic Monkeys) and Steve White (Paul Weller).

Top honors go to Led Zeppelin’s fourth album (featuring the drum double-whammy of Stairway To Heaven and When The Levee Breaks), with The Beatles’ Abbey Road coming in second.

There are some notable omissions in this list, though. There are no albums by Cream featuring Ginger Baker, and the only albums in the Top 10 made in the last 30 years both feature Dave Grohl.

MusicRadar wonders; are they not making truly great drummers any more?

Here’s the Top 50 albums countdown…
#50 The Who – Live At Leeds (1970)
Drummer: Keith Moon
D & D: I consider this to be one of the greatest live recordings of all-time. “Get Your Ya-Ya’s Out” by the Rolling Stones, “Live at the Fillmore” by the Allman Brothers, “Live at the Royal Albert Hall (1966)” by Bob Dylan, and numerous other classic albums top this list as well (in my opinion). The energy that pulses through the speakers when “Live at Leeds” is put on is incredible. Keith Moon is a legendary drummer, and his drumming style is explosive and instantly recognizable.

#49 Mahavishnu Orchestra – Birds Of Fire (1973)
Drummer: Billy Cobham
D & D: I consider Billy Cobham is a lightning fast jazz drummer with a style that blends jazz, fusion, orchestral techniques in a unique way. Cobham’s drums are tuned very tightly for faster stick response, and this helps give him his signature sound. I would highly recommend any of Billy Cobham’s albums to drummers looking to learn new ways of expressing themselves on the drum set.

#48 James Brown – Live At The Apollo (1962)
Drummers: John ‘Jabo’ Starks and Clyde Stubblefield
D & D: John ‘Jabo’ Starks and Clyde Stubblefield hold James Brown’s band together on this funk/soul masterpiece. They are super-tight with the rhythm section, and their interplay with the horn section is always spot on. This is a very nice example of how to play funk rhythms that groove in the pocket. Forty-six years later, this album continues to lay the template for funk drummers looking to make their audience dance.

#47 Iron Maiden – Number Of The Beast (1982)
Drummer: Clive Burr
#46 Herbie Hancock – Head Hunters (1973)
Drummer: Harvey Mason
#45 David Bowie – The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust (1972)
Drummer: Woody Woodmansey
#44 Pantera – Vulgar Display (1992)
Drummer: Vinnie Paul
#43 Van Halen – Van Halen (1978 )
Drummer: Alex Van Halen
D &D: When I was first learning drums, I listened to Alex Van Halen’s playing over and over. He has a very intuitive rock style that complements Eddie’s guitar playing beautifully. His playing is very creative, but never overly busy. Although highly capable of showing off when needed, Alex tends to play more simply to support the vocals and guitar parts of Van Halen’s songs. Van Halen I & II show drummers how to appropriately play rock music.

#42 Radiohead – Ok Computer (1997)
Drummer: Phil Selway
D & D: I love the musicality of Phil Selway’s playing with Radiohead. He tends to keep his rhythms repetetive on some songs (when needed), but he really strecthes his legs out on others. His jazz leanings are also apparent on certain Radiohead tracks. When listening to Radiohead, I often hear a lot of my personal drumming influences come out in Selway’s nuanced playing. Some of their later albums are more of an acquired taste, but I have found them to be among my favorites after repeated listenings.

#41 Tool – Aenima (1996)
Drummer: Danny Carey
D & D: Danny Carey’s playing with Tool sets the bar higher for rock drummers. The first time I heard Tool, my jaw dropped wide open. Danny combines subtle jazz and fusion techniques with metal, and he is an incredibly diverse drummer. His approach to the drum kit is very balanced, and I love the way he improvises within his grooves, pushing and pulling the music to new climactic moments. I hear new things in Danny’s playing every time I listen to Tool.

A Perfect Circle with Tool’s singer Maynard Keenan features another of my favorite drummers. Josh Freese is one of the most sought-after session drummers in the music industry, and one listen to A Perfect Circle will show you why. Much like Danny Carey, Josh Freese is a master of synchopation. Josh’s style tends to be more reserved than that of Carey, and they both are insanely talented at shifting between odd time signatures with fluid groove and dynamics. Danny Carey and Josh Freese are both drumming forces to be reckoned with.

#40 Metallica – …And Justice For All (1988 )
Drummer: Lars Ulrich
D & D: My first band played a lot of Metallica covers, and this album has a lot of ideas for musicians who are into metal that changes between melodic and thrash. I personally find James Hetfield’s rhythm guitar parts just as inspiring as Lars’ drumming. Kirk Hammet’s lead guitar is also blistering on “…And Justice For All.”

#39 Jimi Hendrix – Axis: Bold As Love (1967)
Drummer: Mitch Mitchell
D & D: I have listened to this Jimi Hendrix album more than any other, and listening to Mitch Mitchell play with Hendrix has taught me an incalculable amount about the art of drumming. “Axis: Bold as Love” varies between nuanced jazz playing and full-out driving rock drumming. This 1967 classic has been a prized part of my CD collection since I very first heard it.

Mitch Mitchell effectively did for the drumming world what Jimi Hendrix did for the guitar playing community. Fusing jazz with rock and blues in a bombastic, unapologetic way – they both paved the way for future musicians looking to push the envelope with their musical expression. Mitch Mitchell and Jimi Hendrix collaborated in the studio together to write almost all of the music for The Jimi Hendrix Experience, recording their parts together live before adding bass, vocals, and additional instrumentation. Listening to the progression of Jimi’s playing with the Jimi Hendrix Experience, it is obvious how Mitch Mitchell’s improvisational drumming style was key in helping form the sound Jimi’s guitar parts (and vice versa).

If you love great music, listen to “Axis: Bold as Love” immediately (if not sooner).

#38 Fleetwood Mac – Rumours (1977)
Drummer: Mick Fleetwood
#37 Mastodon – Leviathan (2004)
Drummer: Brann Dailor
#36 Jeff Buckley – Grace (1994)
Drummer: Matt Johnson
#35 The Beatles – Sergeant Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)
Drummer: Ringo Starr
#34 Buddy Rich Big Band – Big Swing Face (1967)
Drummer: Buddy Rich
#33 Pantera – Far Beyond Driven (1994)
Drummer: Vinnie Paul
D & D: Pantera has helped define metal music since the early ’90’s. Vinnie Paul’s double bass style has definitely influenced my own playing. Pantera’s later albums became increasingly heavy and complex.

I would also recommend singer Phil Anselmo’s work with DOWN to fans of heavier music. The sound of DOWN is more Southern rock-tinged, and the heavy-handed drums flow perfectly with their chugging, grinding guitar work.

#32 Chick Corea – Now He Sings, Now He Sobs (1968 )
Drummer: Roy Haynes
D & D: Roy Hanes drumming influenced artists such as Tony Williams (Miles Davis), Elvin Jones (John Coltrane), and countless others.

Read more about Roy Haynes by clicking this link: The Influence of Roy Haynes



#31 The Police – Ghost In The Machine (1981)
Drummer: Stewart Copeland
#30 Sting – Ten Summoner’s Tales (1993)
Drummer: Vinnie Colaiuta
#29 Sly And The Family Stone – Fresh (1973)
Drummer: Andy Newmark
#28 Led Zeppelin – Houses Of The Holy (1973)
Drummer: John Bonham
#27 Metallica – Master Of Puppets (1986)
Drummer: Lars Ulrich
#26 Mahavishnu Orchestra – The Inner Mounting Flame (1971)
Drummer: Billy Cobham

D & D: There is a very good reason that Billy Cobham shows up on this list repeatedly. Listen to any album with Cobham for examples of stellar progressive fusion jazz drumming. Even non-drummers will ask who is playing when they hear Cobham’s music.



#25 Frank Zappa – Joe’s Garage: Act 1 (1979)
Drummer: Vinnie Colaiuta
#24 Buddy Rich – Swingin’ New Big Band (1966)
Drummer: Buddy Rich
D & D: If you have never listened to Buddy Rich, you need to. Rich was a jazz pioneer and innovator. Listen to this if you want to hear the definition of swing. Drummers of every style can learn an immense amount from the master of swing.

#23 Billy Cobham – Spectrum (1973)
Drummer: Billy Cobham
#22 The Police – Outlandos D’Amour (1978 )
Drummer: Stewart Copeland
#21 Stevie Wonder – Songs In The Key Of Life (1976)
Drummers: Stevie Wonder, Greg Brown and Raymond Lee Pounds
#20 Slayer – Reign In Blood (1986)
Drummer: Dave Lombardo
#19 Soundgarden – Superunknown (1994)
Drummer: Matt Cameron
D & D: Matt Cammeron, to me, is the perfect example of a song-oriented rock drummer. I saw him play with Soundgarden (shortly before they broke up) at Lollapalooza ‘96 at the Gorge Ampitheatre in George, WA, and I was absolutely amazed with him as a musician. Later, in November of 2000, I was able to see Matt perform with Pearl Jam on the last leg of their tour in Portland, Oregon. I will never forget either experience, and Matt’s drumming always drove the song and supported the other musicians on the stage.

Cameron’s adept use of odd time signatures, ghost strokes, and pounding rhythms with Soundgarden drew them comparisons with Led Zeppelin. Listen to any of Soundgarden’s recordings and “Binaural” or “Riot Act” by Pearl Jam for samples of his driving drumming style.

#18 Miles Davis – Four And More (1964)
Drummer: Tony Williams
#17 Deep Purple – Made In Japan (1972)
Drummer: Ian Paice
#16 Stevie Wonder – Innervisions (1973)
Drummer: Stevie Wonder
#15 AC/DC – Back In Black (1980)
Drummer: Phil Rudd
#14 Led Zeppelin – Led Zeppelin (1969)
Drummer: John Bonham
#13 Rush – Moving Pictures (1981)
Drummer: Neil Peart
#12 The Beatles – Revolver (1966)
Drummer: Ringo Starr
#11 The Police – Regatta De Blanc (1979 )
Drummer: Stewart Copeland
#10 Jimi Hendrix – Are You Experienced (1967)
Drummer: Mitch Mitchell
#9 John Coltrane – A Love Supreme (1964)
Drummer: Elvin Jones
#8 Queens Of The Stone Age – Songs For The Deaf (2002)
Drummer: Dave Grohl
Here’s QOTSA at Glastonbury 2002 with DG on drums
#7 Steely Dan – Aja (1977)
Drummers: Purdie, Gadd, Greene, Humphrey, Keltner and Marotta
#6 Led Zeppelin – Led Zeppelin II (1969)
Drummer: John Bonham
#5 Miles Davis – Nefertiti (1967)
Drummer: Tony Williams
#4 Nirvana – Nevermind (1991)
Drummer: Dave Grohl
#3 Led Zeppelin – Physical Graffiti (1975)
Drummer: John Bonham
#2 The Beatles – Abbey Road (1969)
Drummer: Ringo Starr
D & D: Ringo Starr’s understated, economical drumming technique continues to set the standard for drummers seeking to play for the song. He was a left-handed drummer that played like a right-handed drummer, which helped make his fill intros even more unique.

Never a fan of extended flashy drum fills, Ringo instead concentrated on supporting the other musicians in The Beatles with his intuitively brilliant and consistent drumming. To discover why Ringo’s work with the Beatles is often unjustly underrated, click here for the article 13 Reasons to Give Ringo Some Respect.

#1 Led Zeppelin – Led Zeppelin IV (1971)
Drummer: John Bonham – ‘Bonzo’
See Stairway To Heaven
D &D: At a very young age, before I even knew who John Bonham was, I recognized that the drum parts of Led Zeppelin songs stood apart from other music on the radio. Bonham’s raw power, sense of feel, precision, aggressively thundering attack, and musicality attracted me to Led Zeppelin’s music before I even understood why. The feel of the drum part that transitions the soft and loud passages of “Stairway to Heaven” still gives me goose bumps after the bajillionth listen. Bonham’s signature style always stood out (in the best way possible) even with Jimmy Page’s virtuosic guitar playing and Robert Plant’s distinctive vocal style.

John Bonham tops the list of most drummers’ influences for very good reason. His playing was always original, passionate, and he cared much more about feel than mere technique. His playing, of course, displayed astonishing hand and foot technique. But it was the powerful musicality and pure feeling expressed by his playing that made him truly original.




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Last Edited by on Aug 30, 2010 9:08 AM
Ev630
720 posts
Aug 30, 2010
9:59 AM
The poll does leave out many highly innovative and influential drummers, but it still provides a good starting point for drummers looking for albums featuring great drummers.

I'll say.

Art Blakey
Paul Motian
Ed Thigpen
Jimmy Cobb...

And it appears to be a blues-free zone (Where are Sam Lay, Francis Clay, Richard Innes... Just to start?) Not to mention some of the metal and rock choices are ridiculous. At least they included Rudd who, being the most sampled drummer in history, should be #1 for what appears to be a survey by and for rock kiddies.
tmf714
217 posts
Aug 30, 2010
10:40 AM
Tributes and accolades
Bonham is widely considered to be one of the greatest drummers in the history of rock music by other musicians and commentators in the industry. In 2007 Stylus magazine rated Bonham number 1 on its list of the 50 greatest rock drummers,[2] as did the online music magazine Gigwise.com in 2008.[4] Bonham was ranked at no. 1 on Classic Rock's 2005 list of "50 Greatest Drummers in Rock".[22] Similarly, Modern Drummer magazine describes him as "the greatest rock 'n' roll drummer in history."[3] In February 2010, John Bonham was also voted the best drummer on Rolling Stone magazine's user poll, beating Neil Peart of Rush,[23] who was himself heavily influenced by Bonham.[24][25] In September 2008, Bonham topped the Blabbermouth.net's list of "Rockers fans want brought back to life", ahead of Elvis Presley and Freddie Mercury.[26] Rhythm Magazine, one of the UK's best selling drum magazines, voted him the greatest drummer ever, in a poll conducted to determine the "50 greatest drummers of all time" for its October 2009 issue.[27] At the end of the BBC Two series "I'm in a Rock 'n' Roll Band!" on 5 June 2010, John Bonham was named the best drummer of all time.[28]

John Bonham has been described by Allmusic as one of the most important, well-known and influential drummers in rock.[1] Many rock drummers were influenced by John Bonham's work with Led Zeppelin. A few of them include Tony Thompson,[25] Dave Grohl,[29] Tommy Lee,[30] Peter Criss,[31] Stewart Copeland,[32] and Chad Smith.[33]

Several of these drummers have testified to Bonham's influence, such as Roger Taylor of Queen, who stated:

The greatest Rock`n`Roll drummer of all time was John Bonham who did things that nobody had ever even thought possible before with the drum kit. And also the greatest sound out of his drums - they sounded enormous, and just one bass drum. So fast on it that he did more with one bass drum than most people could do with three, if they could manage them. And he had technique to burn and fantastic power and tremendous feel for rock`n`roll.[34]

Dave Grohl of Foo Fighters and Nirvana has said:

John Bonham played the drums like someone who didn't know what was going to happen next- like he was teetering on the edge of a cliff. No one has come close to that since, and I don't think anybody ever will. I think he will forever be the greatest drummer of all time.[35]

Similarly, Chad Smith of Red Hot Chili Peppers has remarked:

To me, hands down, John Bonham was the best rock drummer ever. The style and the sound was so identifiable to one person. Any drum set that he would play, it sounded like him.[36]

Charlie Watts of the Rolling Stones told Guitar Player's Jas Obrecht:

John Bonham is the best at being John Bonham and doing what he does. Or did - unfortunately, he's dead. He was the best. There wasn't anyone better than John Bonham at doing that, and thank goodness we've got some records so that you can hear it.[37]

Musicians other than drummers have also paid tribute to Bonham. John Paul Jones, who formed a very tight musical partnership with him as Led Zeppelin's power rhythm section, stated that Bonham was a "bass player's dream".[38] Jimmy Page has also commented:

One of the marvellous things about John Bonham which made things very easy [for a producer] was the fact that he really knew how to tune his drums, and I tell you what, that was pretty rare in drummers in those days. He really knew how to make the instrument sing, and because of that, he could just get so much volume out of it by just playing with his wrists. It was just an astonishing technique that was sort of pretty holistic if you know what I mean.[39]

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Ev630
721 posts
Aug 30, 2010
11:09 AM
He was a very good rock drummer, Thomas. I get it.

Who are Dave Grohl and Chad Smith?

Charlie Watts was a journeyman drummer. The Stones were greater than the sum of the parts.
tmf714
219 posts
Aug 30, 2010
11:24 AM
No- he was the BEST!!! I will make no further posts on this thread-it should become a new one.

Last Edited by on Aug 30, 2010 11:26 AM
toddlgreene
1726 posts
Aug 30, 2010
11:35 AM
Yeah, it should become a new thread-on a drum forum.
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Ev630
722 posts
Aug 30, 2010
11:49 AM
No- he was the BEST!!!

No - he WASN'T!!!

lol.

Okay, maybe he was the best English tub thumper in the niche gene of British proto-metal. I'll give you that Thomas. But I'm sure we can both agree that he wasn't the best drummer ever, in any genre.
Andrew
1162 posts
Aug 30, 2010
1:05 PM
Clearly Maureen Tucker was the best.
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Andrew
1172 posts
Sep 09, 2010
2:20 PM
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SuperBee
12 posts
Sep 10, 2010
6:41 AM
oh yes, i am gonna learn that...that will be perfect...guitarist has a twin neck gibson...will be hilarious...especially the alternate groans..thanks fer the headsup...
Bluzmanze
7 posts
Sep 01, 2011
4:45 PM
I am at best an intermediate harp player.I first tied to learn some blues tunes ,the F t birds version of scratch my back,Jimmy Reed,Slim Harpo,Lazy Lester,the more economical simpler payers and tunes.I also tried some rock tunes,with harp by Jagger,Tyler,and Plant,and out of them I found Plant to be technically better, and more original,and while all the guys were more adding color and mood with the harp,I thought Plants offerings were the best over all,with his playing on Levee and his part really helping to make IMO a great modern take on the blues.


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