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Bgnerplshlp
1 post
Mar 21, 2016
5:24 PM
Hey everyone! I'm new to both the harmonica and this site, I look forward to learning and talking to you all. I have a a question that I'm wondering if someone can help me with? I really like this song and I'm trying to find harmonica tabs for it, but I can't even find out what song it is. Everywhere I've looked says it's a song called "Bury me not on a lone prairie" but the tabs I've found don't play anything like this video, can someone help me out? Thank you!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qco_yC8iiws&ebc=ANyPxKo4qU3bghhbMccCh2m0Gv2JrVt3jYBWNxnFXiyf4JCfrhu_7Q-2VY4823OREyPOTFvFTHugKhjt1uIOSn_fChAfElwuUw
Killa_Hertz
772 posts
Mar 21, 2016
9:22 PM
I Dunno bro. It dont sound very hard. But i will say that if your new to harmonica ... tabs or no .. it won't sound like that. I dont mean to discourage. But good harmonica tone is much tougher than it seems. Surely could start you in a better direction if you really want to learn. I know that's not what you want to hear. But ....



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didjcripey
1025 posts
Mar 21, 2016
9:44 PM
Also probably not what you want to hear, but it might serve you better if you try and pick it out by ear than trying to learn with tabs. Just make sure you have the right key harmonica.
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nacoran
9002 posts
Mar 21, 2016
10:48 PM
I tried to track down the song with my Google-Fu. It wasn't on the game's soundtrack. (Often songs played 'in game' instead of as atmosphere don't get included. There is a tune called 'Bury me not on a lone prairie' but that's got words.

I was having the best luck picking notes on my G harp, although I could do a bit on my C as well. If you use the 4 blow as your starting off point you should be able to pick up pieces of it. It might help if you had software like the Amazing Slowdowner so you can make sure you've got each part down. I think actually, what I'd do, is download it from YouTube (I don't know what programs are the best for that right now, it's been a couple years) and then convert it to an mp3 and make a one song play list out of it, on loop, and just play.

Edit: I did manage to track down that there is a very good chance it was played by Tommy Morgan. He played harp on the soundtrack, so unless they brought someone else in for that specific portion it's probably him. I'm assuming it's this Tommy Morgan. http://www.tmorganharmonica.com/

You could email him and ask him the name of the tune. With that you could probably find the correct tab (and be able to call it by it's correct name.)


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Last Edited by nacoran on Mar 21, 2016 10:56 PM
Bgnerplshlp
2 posts
Mar 21, 2016
11:07 PM
Hey, thanks everyone for replying. I know that it is probably out of my skill range at first, but I would like to practice it as I'm learning, so I can learn what I feel like I need to. You guys say maybe start with something else though? What would you recommend? I play the guitar too, but it was MUCH easier to find books, youtube videos etc on learning how to play, the harmonica seems so neglected. I've even looked up to see if there are teachers in my area, but no cigar.

And as far as the song goes, I have looked pretty much everywhere I can think of, and I haven't been able to find tabs or even a name. And as I'm still new I can't really just listen to it and know what to do :/ but thank you all for trying, I appreciate the help so much.
Bgnerplshlp
3 posts
Mar 22, 2016
12:18 AM
And does anyone know like maybe some other songs like this to play/ check out? I'm kind of picky, I like that sad, lonely cowboy sound, but I dont like super twangy, super folky stuff either. If that makes any sense whatsoever. Like I said, I'm still very new at this, and I know I'll be play Oh! Susanna and stuff for quite a while, but I hope to get better and be playing some cool stuff someday so I like to have a direction to keep me interested and keep me from being discouraged
andysheep8
51 posts
Mar 22, 2016
1:39 AM
check out 'harptabs.com'

Useful, but like all things on the internet, not a hundred per cent reliable.
It's a good starting point, but as others say, the more you use your ear the better player you will become.
Glass Harp Full
117 posts
Mar 22, 2016
1:40 AM
Hi and welcome to the forum.

There's no shortage of harmonica lessons on YouTube. Check out Adam Gussow, Lee Sankey, Jason Ricci and Liam Ward's videos. They all have great stuff. I found Liam Ward's song lessons easy to follow and quite doable for a beginner. In particular I found his videos on "Heart of Gold" and "He Ain't Heavy He's My Brother" useful for learning how to play the harmonica parts to real songs.

As for books, yes, there's a lot less than for guitar. If you want that lonesome cowboy sound you might like "Country and Western Harmonica Made Easy" by David Harp. The notation system is a bit confusing but it's got cowboy songs, train rhythms and scales. There is also the "Hal Leonard Harmonica Play Along" series which has a "Country Classics" and "Country Hits" book. These are more challenging for a beginner like me but they certainly keep me interested and encouraged.

All the best with your harmonica learning and have fun.

Last Edited by Glass Harp Full on Mar 22, 2016 1:42 AM
Bgnerplshlp
4 posts
Mar 22, 2016
5:59 AM
Once again everyone, thank you for all the help. Right now I have a Hohner Marine Band in C, and a Fender Blues Deville in B flat. I've been planning on getting a G next, because I see that its pretty common on a lot of songs. Is that a good way to go?
Gnarly
1703 posts
Mar 22, 2016
7:01 AM
Buy a chromatic--that's what is playing this melody.
Even though chroms are more expensive, they expand your possibilities--diatonic has missing notes, even notes that are in the major scale.
Don't get me wrong, this is MBH, but for this sound, you need the right axe. Get a chrom.
Gnarly
1704 posts
Mar 22, 2016
7:08 AM
The song is in Am, and is mostly pentatonic--only the occasional B, mostly the notes A, C, D, E and G. So it's easy to play this in F#m on the black keys of the piano--if you have access to one, try it and see. Of course, you would have to change the pitch of the recording, down three half steps.
I just tried it on chrom along with the recording in Am. It's nice! One of the reasons it's so legato is the use of the draw button C--very peaceful. I also hear some hand vibrato, something you don't always hear on chromatic.
If you buy a chrom, I will tab it for you, how's that?

Last Edited by Gnarly on Mar 22, 2016 7:11 AM
Gnarly
1705 posts
Mar 22, 2016
7:14 AM
Here's Johnny!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF1KRnkKNlc
This is not the same melody as what you posted. But it too lays well on the chrom and is very pentatonic (in G).
Bgnerplshlp
5 posts
Mar 22, 2016
8:05 AM
Gnarly I will definitely look into getting one if you're willing to do it haha. Do chromatics basically come in the same keys, but have more range? Do you still have to bend notes on them?
Rontana
305 posts
Mar 22, 2016
8:08 AM
I like that sad, lonely cowboy sound, but I dont like super twangy, super folky stuff either. If that makes any sense whatsoever.

You might go to Amazon and look at some of the books by Jon Gindick. I know that "Bluesify Your Melody" has 9 or 10 (stuff like "Streets of Laredo"). He also has a book titled "Harmonica Americana." I've not seen the table of contents, but I'd guess there might well be some cowboy tunes in there.

Last Edited by Rontana on Mar 22, 2016 8:08 AM
Ian
309 posts
Mar 22, 2016
8:24 AM
I have both of the gindick books that rontana mentioned and for the lonesome cowboy stuff go for bluesify Your melody, harmonica Americana is more straight up folk first position.
Killa_Hertz
775 posts
Mar 22, 2016
9:41 AM
Nobody mentioned TradeBit? If your looking for a good place to get your feet wet, check out the funkyharp youtube channel. Luk has a free lesson program that helped me in the very beginning. But that will only get you so far.

After that check out the other youtube channels mentioned above. The thing that will really get you going is actual video lessons. So check out adams tradebit videos on this site. They are extremely low priced and well worth every penny. And i recommend you preview them before you buy, so you get what you want at the time you need it.

Ronnie Shellists lessons on harmonica123.com are also very good and well priced.

None of these really follows the countryish style your looking for, but it ll teach you to play, then you can choose what you want.

Adams tradebit lesson "Goin Down South" will probably suit you well eventually, but its a bit ahead of where you are right now.

But good luck man. Ask questions. Practice every chance you can n you ll be alright.
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Gnarly
1706 posts
Mar 22, 2016
2:36 PM
@bgnerplshp Chromatics come in a few keys, but I am recommending a 12 hole in C. My first was a CX-12 tenor, but since I work for Suzuki as their harp tech, I recommend you get an SCX-48 (or 56) in C.
Comes with a one-year warranty that includes reed failure.
You can bend every note on the chromatic, but it's a little different than a diatonic, and you don't need to bend to get all the notes.
Bgnerplshlp
6 posts
Mar 23, 2016
8:04 AM
Alright, I will definitely look into getting one. Is it better to starr with the diatonic or the chromatic? Also is it good to run or do some kind of cardio to get good wind? Or does that just come with time and practice?
Gnarly
1707 posts
Mar 23, 2016
9:32 AM
Running is good, but playing is better.
As far as Diatonic vs Chromatic, it's horses for courses. I like short harp for its virtues; loud, robust, bendy.
Chromatic has virtues too, and playing the right notes with good tone is one of them.
Holes 4-7 on the diatonic are the same as holes 5-9 on the chrom, so the diatonic is a good tool for becoming familiar with the chromatic layout. On the chrom, the pattern is also on holes 1-4 and 9-12.
Grey Owl
629 posts
Mar 24, 2016
11:49 AM
If you're going to play a lot of this kind of stuff you could also buy a Paddy Richter tuned diatonic where just the 3 draw is tuned up 2 semitones (save you having to struggle with the double draw bend on 3) You can play the whole tune just blow and draw no bends. Grab a Paddy Richter Diatonic in G to play along with the VID and your good to go.

Prob. sounds more soulful on a Chrome though.

Here's the start on the diatonic.

Last Edited by Grey Owl on Mar 24, 2016 11:52 AM
Gnarly
1709 posts
Mar 24, 2016
9:41 PM
Actually, this tune could be played on a solo tuned 364.
MF has them for under 50 bucks delivered--

I recently tuned one of these down to Ab for a customer--not a bad harp at all!
I bought mine from Rockin' Ron tho . . . ask him if he can match that price!

Last Edited by Gnarly on Mar 24, 2016 9:43 PM
Bgnerplshlp
7 posts
Mar 24, 2016
9:45 PM
Thanks you guys, I've looked at patty richters and they actually make a lot of sense to me because the two and three holes will play the same note anyways, why not tune the three up to make it easier? Haha
Bgnerplshlp
8 posts
Mar 24, 2016
9:46 PM
And I also ordered some of the books you guys have recommended, can't wait until they get here!
Bgnerplshlp
9 posts
Mar 25, 2016
9:20 PM
Ok, one last question guys, if I wanted to play songs like this, would the G (either chromatic or diatonic) be the way to go?
shakeylee
521 posts
Mar 26, 2016
10:08 AM
the easiest,cheapest way to play the melody would be on a chinese tremelo. BUT , the tone would be different.i can get these harps in china town for $4.

next up, would be a huang cadet soloist. $15 at harp depot. tone would be closer.
http://www.harpdepot.com/index1.html?c712.html&1

a huang cathedral concert would also be fun,octave tuned.

if you want to do it on a chromatic,or a solo tuned diatonic,or a tremelo, buy a C.

if you do learn the melody on a tremelo,some notes will be in a different spot.

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Bgnerplshlp
12 posts
Mar 29, 2016
11:01 AM
@grey owl i bought a paddy richter should be in the mail any day now, thanks for the info! I'll probably still be buying a chromatic down the road tho when I get the funds @gnarly.
Gnarly
1716 posts
Mar 29, 2016
3:15 PM
Chromatics are pricy, no doubt--and not for everyone.
Hope the Paddy does it for you!
Bgnerplshlp
14 posts
Apr 05, 2016
7:58 PM
I got it! Or at least half of it, it's really fun to play a song and figure out how it goes.

3 -4 5 -5
-4 4 4
3 -4 5 -5 -6 -6 6
-6 6 -6 -4
4 -4 4 3
3 -4 5 -5 -4 4 -4
-4 -5 -6 7 7 -6 6 -6

I think that's how it goes so far, does anyone know if it's very hard to post stuff on harptabs? I know I dont even know the name of the song, and most harmonica players like bluesier stuff but someone might like to play it.
Gnarly
1720 posts
Apr 06, 2016
8:03 AM
So this is tab for the song using Paddy Richter?
Bgnerplshlp
15 posts
Apr 06, 2016
12:55 PM
It's just the first half, I'll have to get the rest when I find the time, but yes it's with the paddy. The aren't any 3 draws tho, so wouldn't it still be the same as with a normal tuned harp?
Gnarly
1722 posts
Apr 06, 2016
1:29 PM
It's three blow that is modified on a Paddy, that is usually the same as draw 2--filling in the major scale in cross, and providing the 6th (and root of the relative minor) for first position.
Grey Owl
663 posts
Apr 06, 2016
1:51 PM
Bgnerplshlp

That's pretty good and you're close and this type of thing is really good practice for learning your way round the harp and training your ear.

Yes and to add to what Gnarly said, if you played it on a normal tuned harp (Richter) you would have to play a double draw bend on hole 3 to replace where your'e playing blow 3.

The holes in red are the ones that need to change from the tab you wrote above.

3 -4 5 -5
-4 4 -4
3 -4 5 -5 -6 -6 6
-6 6 -6 -4
4 -4 4 3
-2 3 4 -4 -5 5 -4
-4 -5 -6 7 7 -6 6 -6

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Last Edited by Grey Owl on Apr 07, 2016 2:24 AM


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