cemcan1245
1 post
Sep 01, 2013
2:04 AM
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Hi everybody , i'm gonna buy a new harmonica and want your suggestions , i'm advance player and tongue blocking , blues player most of the time ; i've got manji,deluxe,crossover but actually dont like manji as much as MB deluxe/Crossover . i wonder what are pros and cons between these two harmonicas , is metal comb problem with tongue blocking for electric discharge ?
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Kingley
3087 posts
Sep 01, 2013
2:27 AM
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The Suzuki harps tend to be tuned a little brighter than the Hohners generally speaking. The metal combs are ok, but some people find they get a bad taste in their mouth from them. Similar to the taste you get after licking a 9 volt battery. I'm not a fan of the metal combs myself and much prefer wood to metal. If you find the Deluxe or Crossovers better than the Manji then I'd say stick with them.
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Pistolcat
517 posts
Sep 01, 2013
2:49 AM
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The only real dud harp I have ever had is a Suzuki promaster in Bb. Just crap, that's the only Suzuki I have tried though, it's very much the same as the Hammond. I didn't like the metal comb, either. My favourite harp is the mb deluxe. In Sweden Suzuki harps are really expensive which is also a weigh-in for me....
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cemcan1245
2 posts
Sep 01, 2013
6:36 AM
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thanks for the response guys :)
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groyster1
2363 posts
Sep 01, 2013
6:54 AM
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totally different tuning between the 2...I prefer the mb deluxe but the one Hammond I have in Bb is a very well made harp but prefer the tone of the deluxe
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Grey Owl
282 posts
Sep 01, 2013
7:53 AM
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--I only have one MBD in D and had to do a little bit of work on it to make it play better. It has the nice tone that you would expect from a MB.
If you are out to try something different then the Hammond is not a bad choice. You will find it a lot different from your existing harps. The full length covers are nice and it has a good solid weighty feel. I am sensitive to this metallic taste but the anodising works well to stop this unlike on the promaster.
The Hammond played very well out of the box, including overblows but it has a warmer tone than the MBD.
If you don't mind plastic combs the Suzuki Harpmaster is a lovely harp with a nice crackly tone (it's reasonably cheap too)
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cemcan1245
3 posts
Sep 01, 2013
9:53 AM
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i never look into the tunings , deluxe and crossover compromised , hammond is equal tempered tuning i guess , am i wonrg ?
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Kingley
3092 posts
Sep 01, 2013
10:01 AM
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Not quite. I believe you're right and the Hammond HA20 is equal tuned. Although I'm not 100% certain. The Deluxe and Crossover though aren't tuned the same at all. The Deluxe uses Just Compromised tuning the same as the Marine Band 1896. The Crossover is tuned to Steve Bakers tuning which is still a version of Just Compromised tuning, but is much closer to equal tuning than the Deluxe.
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Gnarly
683 posts
Sep 01, 2013
10:07 AM
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Hammond is ET, correct.
And the comb and covers have a heavy laquer that makes for a more mellow tone--and prevent any electrolytic interaction.
I don't think I have ever played a MB Deluxe, but hey, it's a Marine Band.
I understand that the build quality has improved at Hohner in the last few years.
I really like the Hammond, and recommend it frequently. All our harps come with a one year warranty--that comes in handy with diatonics.
If compromise tuning is important to you, you can always retune--I have been modifying Golden Melody harps for a client recently, to get that "Marine Band" sound--7 limit JI!
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Gnarly
684 posts
Sep 01, 2013
10:07 AM
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So I guess you can't go wrong with the Deluxe, but if you like a mellow sound, try the Hammond and see what you think! It's still a diatonic, it won't make you sound like Zamfir LOL
Last Edited by Gnarly on Sep 01, 2013 10:09 AM
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Kingley
3093 posts
Sep 01, 2013
10:14 AM
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It's been a very long time since I've played a Hammond, but from what I remember they were nice and loud and very responsive harps.
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ej
30 posts
Sep 01, 2013
11:07 AM
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The Hammond is a great harp and because of the coating on the comb it doesn't give you the same shock to your tongue as a Promaster (I changed all my Promaster combs to bamboo and they sound great). The Hammond has a nice warm sound. I gave up on Hohners so I can't compare it to a Deluxe
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florida-trader
353 posts
Sep 01, 2013
12:05 PM
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cemcan1245
What key(s) are you looking for? I might be able to help you out.
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www.BlueMoonHarmonicas.com
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MP
2909 posts
Sep 01, 2013
1:27 PM
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Hammonds are very nice harps. I prefer MBDs and Crossovers. It has a lot to do with the MB style covers giving it that sound i love, no matter tuning diferences between the XO and MBD. Besides, MBDs and Crossovers are easy and inexpensive to repair.
Hammonds have spot welded reeds and you need probably a Gnarly to fix 'em.
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GMaj7
274 posts
Sep 01, 2013
7:02 PM
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Suzuki makes a great harp, the tone is warm and bright, but then again the Hohner's tone is a nice colder sound but sort of dark. Either works fine unless you are a tongue blocker then the tone is sort of wet and dark on the Hohner. If you like fat tone then you should probably go with a MB but make sure it is the original MB because their tone is bigger except in some cases it has a thin sound on the higher end. The wood combs give Suzuki a fuller tone that is not as soft as the darker colored wood combs on the bright Hohner Crossover....
Just repeating what I've read... on the forums.. :)
The best harp is the one you will practice with and play
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16:23 Custom Harmonicas
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cemcan1245
4 posts
Sep 02, 2013
8:17 AM
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Thanks all of you guys for your opinions , i'm gonna buy hammond , probably wont like as much as deluxe , but who knows , i'll give it a try , just for curiosity :) @florida-trader it's gonna be key of Eb.
Last Edited by cemcan1245 on Sep 02, 2013 8:18 AM
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groyster1
2366 posts
Sep 02, 2013
9:07 AM
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just bear in mind that the manji sounds more like the deluxe than the Hammond will....that being said don't think you will be disappointed with the hammond
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Kingley
3098 posts
Sep 02, 2013
11:49 AM
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Groyster makes a good point. The Hammond may sound harsh to you as it's equal tuned. If it does don't give up on it. Just retune it to compromised like the Deluxe.
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TheoBurke
454 posts
Sep 02, 2013
12:38 PM
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I've had great experience with the Suzuki Promaster Hammond, in the key of C. Nice response, wonderful and playability. Marine Band Deluxes, for my money, were the transitional model to the MB Crossovers; MB Deluxes just don't give you that clean, cutting edge and brilliance of sound that the Xovers do. Deluxes are a fine harp, though, but I would stick with the Crossovers for the best harmonica you can for the price.
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florida-trader
354 posts
Sep 02, 2013
1:47 PM
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cemcan1245
Just in case you are interested, I have all the components, including Eb reed plates, you need to build either a Manji or a ProMaster. I have a set of new Eb reed plates. I have custom Corian, Aluminum, Hogany, Brass and Acrylic combs for Suzukis. I have both stock and powder coated covers for the Manji and stock ProMaster covers. Everything is available as modular components meaning you can design your own harp. If you would like, I will be happy to build a harp for you.
P.S. I have some Marine Band Deluxes too with virtually the same options but I don't have a set of Eb plates.
my direct email address is info@bluemoonharmonicas.com
Tom
Tom Halchak
www.BlueMoonHarmonicas.com
Last Edited by florida-trader on Sep 03, 2013 3:56 AM
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