Grey Owl
235 posts
Aug 07, 2013
1:17 PM
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I generally play acoustically without cupping and when I do cup I use a shure 520dx green bullet which I'm not that keen on to be honest.
For recording youtube vids I use a basic webcam and a Vox DA5 amp patched through an old analogue 4 track Fostex recorder into line in on my pc. (sometimes I skip the amp and use a reverb unit through the Fostex to pc for acoustic pieces)
In this case I captured the sound of my Vox amp over the air
with a bit of delay + overdrive on my Kindle Fire HD. I would be interested in what you think of the tone. I am still working on the song so it's more about the tone than the playing. Is it too trebly/bassy etc., Does it need more overdrive? Help would be much appreciated to get me in the right direction.
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Martin
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Aug 07, 2013
4:32 PM
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Off the top of my head I´d say, no more overdrive: I think that would make it sound too "electric"; cut some treble; add some bass, if you´ve got any to spare.
Otherwise just great.
But -- I´ve said it before -- I´m a stickler for a WARM sound on the harp. (Completely unable to get it myself, no matter how I turn them effing knobs, but that´s another story.)
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rogonzab
356 posts
Aug 07, 2013
4:40 PM
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It is still a clean sound.
Add more bass, work on your cup (I think that you are not relax whit a mic yet), and maybe, just maybe, a litle more gain.
Try whit a tube amp, it may react better to your playing.
The DA5 has a compressor effect? My Vox Mini3 has one and it does help a lot whit the tone (but use a litle of the effect, otherwise is just feedback)
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Grey Owl
236 posts
Aug 07, 2013
5:22 PM
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Thanks guys, that's just what I'm after. I'll work on those suggestions.
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Chinn
85 posts
Aug 07, 2013
6:54 PM
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Owl, I use a DA5 also, but with a crystal jt30.
What settings are you using on yours, and what wattage setting?
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JInx
489 posts
Aug 07, 2013
7:42 PM
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to be totally honest, the recording gives me ear fatigue. even with the volume on my tivoli PAL turned down low, it still all sounds just loud. like clanging metal
nice jaming though.
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Greg Heumann
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Aug 07, 2013
10:09 PM
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You will never get the full fat tone of a Kim Wilson, Rod Piazza, Rick Estrin, Gary Smith or others until you appreciate that cupping means not only sealing the back of the harp to the front of the mic, but ALSO covering all the unplayed hole on the front of the harp. I can tell from the video that you don't tongue block, which means the holes on the left side of the harp are open as soon as you've above the 2 hole - and your grip is not conducive to sealing the holes on the right side.
Try this, just to see what I'm talking about. Play a 2-3 draw, bend it, let it back and listen. NOW, take some masking tape. Cover hole 1, and cover holes 4-10. Cup the mic as you are doing now. Do the same 2-3 draw. I bet you hear a HUGE difference. THAT is the difference when the holes on the FRONT of the harp are sealed. With or without the mic, with the tape in place, you should be able to get close to a FULLY MUTED sound if you're not leaking between your hands and the rear of the harp (and mic if you're using it) so this can also be helpful in identifying where you're leaking on the back side.
Note you can ALSO use tape over the back of the harp to seal IT off entirely. This can be helpful to identify where you are "leaking" in the front.
The difference between a good full cup and one that is leaky is that the full cup will dramatically reduce the "highs" in your tone. That in turn allows you to set your amp up much brighter, which gives you a much greater range of tone between open and closed cup.
Mastering this is equally valuable for unamplified, acoustic playing.
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Grey Owl
238 posts
Aug 08, 2013
12:37 AM
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Hi Chinn
These are the settings and Mic (as you can see it’s a small Sony ECM-MS907 Condenser Mic) I’m using at 5 Watts
Thanks Jinx. Clanging Metal wasn’t the sound I was going for:) so I’ll have to see if I can resolve this somehow. Trouble is there are a lot of factors at play here, Gear, settings on amp, ability of Kindle to capture the sound and probably one big one as suggested by Greg, namely inadequate cupping technique.
I was aware that the volume was pretty loud from the amp set behind me so maybe turn the master volume down would help.
Thanks very much Greg for taking the time to comment – much appreciated. I am going to try your recommendations. I am not that comfortable with cupping at the moment and although I am gripping tight (perhaps to tight) to avoid air escaping through my fingers and partially blocking the high end of the harp with my thumb, I still notice a lot of the high end of the harp sticking out.
Unamplifed tone is something I’m still addressing and to be honest it is something that hasn’t occurred to me till quite recently. Since returning to playing the harp after a long lay-off my focus has been on learning songs, new techniques, working on harps etc., Previously I played without any real sense of direction. As a self taught hobbyist on harp with practically zero contact with any other harp player or immersion in looking at the style of the ‘greats’ I have neglected that aspect of searching for tone.
A recent revelation for me was to meet another harp player for the first time (a tongue blocker) I heard him playing in his living room as I was shown into his house and I could swear he was playing amplified, but no he was just sat there playing his harp – I have to say I was startled by the tone!
As a side issue, I don’t think I have a decent mic for harp yet. As well the one I used above, I own an AKG C1000S condenser Mic, an AKG cheap studio Mic and a an AKGD3700 and the Shure 520DX.
Here is a guy using the same amp as me with a custom Mic. (his cup looks good)
He is getting more crunch/tone than me using a Clean 1 setting on the amp (as opposed to my Overdrive) and all his settings are around 12 o’clock!
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Kingley
2998 posts
Aug 08, 2013
2:30 AM
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Grey Owl - For my taste there's a bit too much treble on the amp. I'd roll the treble right off and take out all the effects until you get a basic tone that you are happy with. Then start adding delay or reverb into it a little at a time. Too much effect can often be overwhelming and ruin a good amped sound. Keep recording it and listening back to it, you'll most likely find that you don't need anywhere near as much effect in the signal as you think for it to sound good.
You'll most likely struggle to get a good amped tone with that condenser mic. I'd try an SM57 or 58 into the amp. Just use an impedance converter to change the mic to hi impedance. Then set your amp like this. Turn off all the effects and choose either of the clean settings, put the tone around 8 O'clock (just on) , turn the master volume up full, then use the gain control to get to the point where your mic starts to feedback, then back it off just a touch until the feedback stops. That should put you in the ball park and give a fairly reasonable tone. From there you can just tweak it to suit.
Greg makes a good point about cupping. Although you don't need the full blocked cupped that people rave on about to get a good fat tone. look at people like Kim Wilson and Annie Raines. They get great tone without strangling the cup or using what Rick Davis refers to as "cheek blocking". The key is relaxation first and foremost. Just watch Jason Ricci's video on cupping mics. He gets phenomenal tone and isn't cupping it hard. Tongue blocking will help a lot with getting a good fat sound as well, whether playing acoustic or amplified. But I wouldn't get to hung up on it.
Here's Jason's video
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Grey Owl
240 posts
Aug 08, 2013
3:14 AM
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Thanks Kingly, you're a gent. Some good practical advice there which I'm keen to try out.
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wheel
236 posts
Aug 08, 2013
5:24 AM
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Hi Grey Owl, for my taste there is to much distortion, to much treble and too less bass in this tone. But If you like you tone, if you think it is in the right place just change a little bit your cupping. For example, Paul Butterfield has tone very different to Kim Wilson or Gary Smith (tone gods of course :) ) but he sounded great from every point of view. IMHO :)
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Grey Owl
242 posts
Aug 08, 2013
6:39 AM
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Thanks Wheel, that was my feeling too and it seems to be the general feeling of others which is helpful because I now have confirmation and a means to improve the tone. Good point re PB and also J.Ricci
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Rick Davis
2207 posts
Aug 08, 2013
7:25 AM
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Grey Owl, I don't hear any clanging metal in your tone. It is not bad, but I think it may suffer in the video from the path through the Kindle effects. Does the amp sound better by itself? It sounds kind of compressed and nasal.
All the advice is good about the way you hold the mic and harp, but you don't have to squeeze it in a death grip or seal up every hole.
Your playing sounds a little dry because you are playing only single notes. Try opening your playing aperture just slightly at times to draw a tiny bit of air from adjacent holes, especially on the attack of a note. This will fatten up your sound and give it more character.
Do you have the 520DX mic turned down? Try turning it all the way up and adjusting the settings on the amp. It sounds like the signal may not be hitting the amp as hard as it could. You want to distort the amp's input section to get the tone you are after.
Good luck and have fun.
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Grey Owl
243 posts
Aug 08, 2013
8:09 AM
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Thanks a lot for the advice Rick. Yes, the amp does sound better before kindle but it still sounds a bit raw. I haven't dabbled too much in settings/ recording techniques and my usual recording method is Mic into amp then line out of amp into input 1 on my 4 track recorder then line out into line in on my pc. Incidentally I hve never placed an additional mic in front of the amp to capture the sound this way.
I seem to have had mixed results with the 520DX and have never gone much beyond 2 o'clock position
I guess I do try to play clean with single note attack esp. in this song, so that tip of yours could help.
Tight gripping and grinding my face into the harp to form a seal is certainly not helping me to relax and concentrate on tone/expression and I'm hoping this will improve the more I get used to the technique required.
The last tip re the 520DX sounds promising.
Probably my best results on the 520DX/Da5Amp setup is on this song LINK although it is still a bit 'high end' and the cup is not close enough.
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markdc70
132 posts
Aug 08, 2013
8:19 AM
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Something else that may be having a negative effect on your tone is that mic you're using. Being a condensor mic, it more than likely has built-in solid state preamps that you are overloading and causing to distort. Overall though, I like the tone on the video, and always love to hear your playing!
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Chinn
86 posts
Aug 08, 2013
10:40 AM
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Owl, I'm not sure what tone you are really shooting for, but I definitely use vastly different settings on my amp. I found that the settings you are using were much too overdriven for my setup.
My setup (for better or worse) is as follows:
Blues1 or Blues3
Gain at approx. 20%
Tone at 10 oclock
Volume at 3 oclock
Small amount of reverb
Volume on my mic is usually at 90% to roll off the highs just a little.
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Grey Owl
244 posts
Aug 08, 2013
10:43 AM
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Thanks marcdc 70, I agree that the condensor mic is probably not the wisest choice for cupped amplification. Its one I use a lot for acoustic work and thought I'd try it out.
I have tried some of the recommendations above and things are improving and have had a go with an AKG dynamic mic which does sound better. Thanks
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Grey Owl
245 posts
Aug 09, 2013
2:38 AM
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Thanks for that Chinn, I will try those settings and see how I get on. I missed your post above as I think it came through when I was writing one of my replies.
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Grey Owl
246 posts
Aug 09, 2013
6:03 AM
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I have just recorded a short audio file using my Zoom H2N recorder. I have used the same small condenser mic but changed the settings on the amp to Clean 1, Gain at 10 O'clock, Tone at 3 O'clock and Max on master. I think it has toned things down a bit (although the zoom recordings always sound a bit compressed.
Any observations? Better, worse, give up :)
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Rick Davis
2210 posts
Aug 09, 2013
6:16 AM
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Grey Owl, there is nothing wrong with that tone. It sounds good considering it is coming from a little solid state amp with a 6-inch speaker. You can't expect it to sing like a Bassman or bark like a Champ.
I like your playing.
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Kingley
3007 posts
Aug 09, 2013
6:17 AM
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It sounds a lot better. You've got some similar shade to Adam Gussow's amped tone going on in there. I'd try it with a dynamic mic (maybe the AKG) as well, just to see how it sounds. It's a vast improvement over the last recording to my ear.
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Grey Owl
247 posts
Aug 09, 2013
9:52 AM
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Thanks Rick and Kingsley for lending your experienced ears, at least I seem to be heading in the right direction.
The problem is my ears are not experienced enough to know exactly what what the right direction is:). ie I could listen to a wide variety of tonal playing and think to myself, 'well that sounds ok'
I will try my AKG Dynamic Mic out Kingley It's an old AKG D321 Dynamic Cardioid Microphone.
My AKGD3700 is a bit lively and I have used it acoustically, don't know if this will be a better bet than the D321 but will give it a try.
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JInx
492 posts
Aug 09, 2013
10:04 AM
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aim for a tone that a newborn baby would love
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Chinn
88 posts
Aug 09, 2013
10:08 AM
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Owl, I like that. Nice tone and of course great chops.
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Grey Owl
248 posts
Aug 09, 2013
10:43 AM
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Jinx. I have a new grandson, I'll try it out:)
Thanks Chinn.
I call it a day after this as far as samples are concerned and try and absorb the differene in tone and play around.
Here is the AKGD321 Dynamic:- on Clean 1 setting with a touch of reverb
And here is the AKG3700 Dynamic:-on Clean 1 setting with a touch of reverb
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mr_so&so
717 posts
Aug 09, 2013
10:51 AM
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Hey Grey Owl, I own a Vox DA5 too. I like it a lot. Like others (e.g. Chinn) above, I stick to the Clean and Blues settings. Clean 2 works nicely with a Shure CM mic element and for cleaner mics, I bump up to the Blues settings. I also like a bit of reverb. I find the Drive setting a bit much. I've also had some fun and good success using it as a powered speaker with my Zoom G3, pumping that in through the Aux In port.
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bluemoose
908 posts
Aug 09, 2013
10:54 AM
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Grey owl, I don't know if you've picked it up from Jason's video but comparing your mic grip to the other fellow you described as having a good grip shows yours is opposite or backwards.
You have the mic in one hand and the harp in the other. It looks like you are playing into the side of the mic.
I believe the more traditional approach is to have the harp and stick mic in the same hand, as Jason shows, and wrap the free hand around to form a chamber. You are then playing more into the top of the mic.
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Kingley
3008 posts
Aug 09, 2013
11:03 AM
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I think the D3700 has the best sound of all of those mics you've used in the demos. To my ear it just sounds more lively and has a nicer tonality than the others. The difference though is pretty subtle.
Bluemoose makes a very good point. Try holding the mic the same way that Jason does in his video on cupping. It'll feel at first as if you're going to drop it, but you won't. Once you've gotten used to it and built up the strength to hold it, you'll have no problems at all. Luckily for you, you already have the most important thing to start with and that's good acoustic tone. Once you learn to cup that mic properly you'll be away. I'd also suggest looking for a Shure 545 or SM57 on eBay. You should be able to pick one up pretty cheaply and I think you'll find they have a far better tone than any of the mics you've used so far. Just be careful with SM57's on eBay as there is a lot of fake ones on there. In the music shops though you can get one for about £90 if you haggle with them a bit. Jason is a huge fan of the SM57. Personally I prefer the tonality of the older (made in USA) 545 mics. But both make killer harp mics and I'm happy playing through either one.
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Grey Owl
249 posts
Aug 09, 2013
11:09 AM
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Mr so&so thanks for the feedback. I remember you doing an interesting video of the DA5 and it's settings a while ago.
Bluemoose haha you are spot on, the same thing occured to me this afternoon and I switched hands - so much easier:)
I think these last two recordings are maybe a bit subdued. I think I want something between what I got on the condenser mic and these ones.
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Grey Owl
250 posts
Aug 09, 2013
11:12 AM
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Thanks Kingley Just seen your post after posting mine. I'll look out for one of the Shures. I think I'll ditch my Green Bullet.
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Kingley
3009 posts
Aug 09, 2013
11:24 AM
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Grey Owl - I'd say that's a very good move. If you can afford one of course the Ultimate 57 or 545 from Greg Heumann would be a perfect choice. I'm not sure what they work out in UK money. The Shure 520DX is nowhere near as good as an SM57 for harp.
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Martin
453 posts
Aug 10, 2013
5:47 AM
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"I think I'll ditch my Green Bullet."
It came as great relief to me, once I did that. Had help from a sound guy and did extensive testing with my Beyer and the GB and the Beyer scored higher on every point. No more trying to adapt everything to a rather peculiar microphone. Wish Id never bought the Shure thing (terribly expensive as well!) but I was swayed by the mythology.
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Grey Owl
251 posts
Aug 10, 2013
6:44 AM
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Kingley/Martin - If I was in two minds about this, you've just confirmed what I should do!
Now anyone on the Forum interested in a Green Bullet, Excellent Mic, mint condition, one careful owner :)
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tookatooka
3432 posts
Aug 10, 2013
11:54 AM
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Why not keep the Green Bullet and try a different element in it?
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Greg Heumann
2306 posts
Aug 10, 2013
12:12 PM
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@tooka - for the $$ you'll spend on a great element, and modding the mic to suit (like a screw-on connector instead of the built in cable, which is guaranteed to fail, and an extension volume knob because once the screw-on connector is there it is much harder to adjust the standard one) - I personally think you're way better off to start with a better donor shell. The 520DX is the biggest heaviest shell out there - it makes a great weapon but not such a great harp mic. I don't think it is worth spending the $$ on it. Better to keep it as a backup or sell it whole to fund the project.
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12gagedan
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Aug 10, 2013
12:53 PM
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Referring back to the original post, I get that you're after the tone that comes from the electronics. However, I don't think you'll get a whole lot "more" from that rig. I think the statement of, "it's really not about the playing" is exactly why you won't get any more. I'm a gear head too. This is not another "you don't need an amp" diatribe. It's more like, if you want "that sound" you have to play the notes "that way". I see so many on here throwing out pieces of the puzzle. They talk grip, they talk tongue block, and these are indeed parts of the equation. Here's a couple more: 1. Clean slop, or sloppy clean. One of the keys to good blues harp is developing enough control to play dirty and not sound sloppy. Rick Davis hits on it above. I'm all about clean single notes but that's not the end of it. Let in a bit of 1-4 draw chord, or some draw 3 when you play 4Db.
. Attack. Every single note needs to be played with purpose and attack. Really try to tick or thump out the notes. 3: timing. Your playing is very good. No doubt. Just need to loosen up and " play" more. Come out of the head stuff ("am I playing the exact note? Is my mic correct? Etc) and just groove. These things will beef up your amped tone as much or more than the gear.
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tookatooka
3433 posts
Aug 10, 2013
12:59 PM
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Thanks Greg.
12gagedan may have something there.
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Grey Owl
252 posts
Aug 10, 2013
1:18 PM
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12gagedan Thanks for your thoughts. Some interesting points you make here. I am certainly not at ease holding the mic yet (and holding the mic in the wrong hand hasn't helped!) and this sets up even more tension.
Yeah I think I am in a 'head' place as far as playing is concerned these days. I play much more general melodies than blues these days and have got locked in to trying to get the bent notes as close to pitch as I can which is always a bit of a thankless task anyway.
This attitude has been aggravated still further by my wife who has a keen ear and will point out (not in a nasty way though) 'O shame about that note/notes' :)
I have noticed myself that my attack on bent notes is getting more pronounced and perhaps this has filtered through into my blues playing where the emphasis is not so much on clean playing.
I'm not overly bothered about gear though but am seeking direction in what is an acceptable cupped tone as I don't have a clear idea of what I'm trying to acheive, so this feedback (no pun intended) about what folk feel is 'sounding bad' or is 'sounding better' is helpful.
Most of my playing has been over the air to the mic and I'm hoping the more I play cupped the more at ease I will become.
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nacoran
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Aug 10, 2013
1:22 PM
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You didn't open your cup hand in the video. I haven't really thought about it, but I'm pretty sure I still do some opening and closing of the cup when I play amped up.
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12gagedan
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Aug 10, 2013
7:14 PM
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Ryan Hart has an excellent video called, "hand techniques for amplified harmonica". It's not just the tight cup.
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Grey Owl
254 posts
Aug 11, 2013
8:07 AM
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Nate:I am always tempted to tap the beat out with one hand when cupping but as of late I have been employing a Spock like death grip on the mic and in the words of Danny Devito after a handshake with Arnie in Twins I have to remind myself to 'Yeow! Ah! Ease up! Tiny bit. Let the blood flow through the fingers':)
12gageden I'll try to check that out.
Greg Thanks for the lowdown on the Green Bullet.
I am just posting another small clip of the AKG 3700 with the exact same settings as the previous sound sample above. This time recorded on the Kindle Fire HD.
Not sure if this is any good as maybe the sound was to big for the auto recoding setup and of course inferior to the recording dedicated Zoom H2N and the youtube compression doesn't help of course.
If I want the best sound for recording purposes it looks like I'll have to record the video on my laptop webcam or Kindle then replace the video sound with the Zoom H2N audio recorded sound.
I am going to do a bit more research before buying a new mic as I rather jumped in to the Green Bullet purchase.
My inclination is to go for a mic that will sound ok for vocals and that can be cranked up for a full harp sound, maybe the SM57?
And here is the AKG3700 Dynamic:-on Clean 1 setting with a touch of reverb as prevously posted above for a side by side comparison.
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Kingley
3016 posts
Aug 11, 2013
8:26 AM
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The Shure SM57, Shure SM58, Shure 545, Electro Voice RE10, Shure 585 and Shure 533 are all good stick mics. They're are plenty more to go at as well. My personal preference is for the 545, SM57 and SM58. I find them all easy to cup and also good for getting wither a clean acoustic sound or a more overdriven amped sound if I want. Apart from buying bullet mics, my main criteria fro a stick mic to use with harp is always, will it make a good vocal mic, because I want to be able to sing through it as well and can I use it to mic an amp up if needed. for me those three mics fill all those requirements. The SM57 and SM58 are industry standard mics and have been for decades. You can't go wrong with either of those two.
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garry
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Sep 08, 2013
7:01 PM
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i play through a vox vt-30 and also have a mini 3, and i don't find any of the amp models on the right side of the dial remotely useful for harp. they are indeed high gain metal models.
try the blues models until you find one you like. turn the tone down to 10:00 or so. try it with delay, then try it with the comp+chorus effect. that sounds cool, and cuts through well. i generally have gain around 11:00, master around 2:00. but the vt-30 has separate volume, too.
it's not hard to find good sounds out of the vox modeling amps. have fun.
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Grey Owl
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Sep 09, 2013
4:45 AM
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Thanks a lot Garry, I'll give those settings a go. Cheers
Kingley, I might be able to get a new SM58 for £75.
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colman
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Sep 09, 2013
6:07 AM
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Learning the harp cupping without a mike,full mute,and all the little spots where you can open and get different tones will get you the feel of horn style harp.when you get the tone with no mike first it will jump out of the amp when you mike it.
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