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SkullKid - Blue Third And Vibrato Help
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2405 posts
Dec 13, 2017
8:37 PM
Skullkid I made those videos for you bro. My phone ran out of memory halfway through so I had to make it a two parter. It cut out at a good time though luckily.

Hope these Help. Let me know what you think.
2406 posts
Dec 13, 2017
8:38 PM
Part 1

Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Dec 13, 2017 8:41 PM
2407 posts
Dec 13, 2017
8:39 PM

Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Dec 13, 2017 8:41 PM
84 posts
Dec 13, 2017
10:05 PM
I dig!
If you don't cut it while it's hot......
5120 posts
Dec 14, 2017
1:55 AM
That’s cool KHz, interesting to see you talking on the camera and loosen up.
I can relate. I always end up laughing at myself when I try and do this stuff.
I noticed you are blocking with your top lip. Johnny Ace the mic builder does that too. As did I when I was lipping it. Now I try to lip with my bottom lip and I understand why people complain about Reedplates. I reckon that’s really why tongue block was so popular back in the day.
That biz with opening up; that’s kinda what Jimi lee was telling me when he said about ‘20 cents sharp’, and showed me how to make the 2 draw play 20 cents sharper than when I was normally playing it straight. Pretty much got some vibrato happening that day.
2408 posts
Dec 14, 2017
2:38 AM
Thanks Bee. Yea I know what you mean about laughing at yourself ... I feel like "who am I to be teaching anything ... lol."

Honestly I never really noticed that I blocked with my top lip. I think I tend to switch back and forth between top and bottom, but i'm not sure ...???

Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Dec 14, 2017 2:39 AM
2420 posts
Dec 14, 2017
2:45 AM
Good stuff. And good point about the blue third being all to easy to hit. Maybe the way forward is to consciously practice the clean, unbent major third.

I always felt that this is one of the things that differentiated between levels of players when I'm listening to them. Not always hitting bluesy notes just because you can. Light and shade.

Some time ago there was a good thread about different blues scales. There's lots of variants but some include the major third.
2409 posts
Dec 14, 2017
3:22 AM
Great points MTG. In hindsight, your exactly right. Guys like Jason Ricci often play those types of scales. It also makes the bluesy notes really POP when you bring them back in.

Hey MTG and Bee .... check out my "been gone too long" thread. I've got a little video in there I've been dying to get your feedback on.


Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Dec 14, 2017 3:33 AM
86 posts
Dec 14, 2017
7:24 AM
Just within the last few weeks, I've been trying to get some tremolo while bending. This is just what the doctor ordered KH. Exactly as you explained it, it just started to choke when I try to add my bend.
If you don't cut it while it's hot......
97 posts
Dec 14, 2017
1:29 PM
Thanks for the videos, man!
I just got home and it's late at night here, so I will respond tomorrow, after experimenting with the stuff you suggest.
99 posts
Dec 15, 2017
12:46 PM
Damn, those videos are super helpful! :)

About the blue third: Great, I finally get it! I used to think that the "horn sound" you described was part of the blue third, not the bend, which is why I pulled it down so much and usually tongued it as well. The blue third, as you describe it, is indeed very intuitive to hit!

About vibrato: Many great tips in this one, I especially liked that you showed the sound that you make without the harp in your mouth.
When I check with the bendometer, I can hold the bend pretty comfortably while doing tremolo now and the vibrato seems to sound quite good. I will record myself tomorrow or on sunday to see, if my ears are playing tricks on me again in that regard, lol. Will keep you posted, thanks again!


PS: The fact that your phone stopped recording and you kept talking for 10 minutes cracked me up, haha. :D

Last Edited by SkullKid on Dec 15, 2017 12:47 PM
2416 posts
Dec 15, 2017
2:02 PM
I'm glad they helped. That's awesome!
I've been wanting to put something like this together because I'm always explaining these things to people and I know it's lost on them in text format. And it's such Gold Advice. Again these are all just regurgitated tips from other great players and teachers, but they are all things that helped me tremendously ... so I figured they would help you aswell. I have tips like this on every subject. But I feel like I would need a bibliography at the end because they are all straight stolen from other teachers youtube videos... haha.

The vibrato takes some practice. Similar to when learning bending. You can get the bend, but it's not very strong or controlled. Then the more you practice, it will develop. It's not something you will just find and Viola it takes some time. So don't worry.

As long as you know what your shooting for though ... atleast you know your not spinning tires going in the wrong direction.

Yea, when the camera cut off I was like... Noooo! It felt like when you take time to type out a great post and captcha eats it. And you feel like, no way could I possibly type it again that good .... lol. Oh well. Haha.
9 posts
Dec 23, 2017
10:04 AM
Great stuff. I too noticed the top lip blocking. I was like, "what?" lol. So far I'd learned only the bottom lip blocking and I am glad to see that the lip blocking is so relative to the player's ability and preference. I can't wait to be able to improv like you did in the vid. It probably seems trivial to you, but to me, it sounded so ultra cool. You should do some more teaching vids if you haven't already. If you do, please post a link, and I will be your first to sign up. Good job.
2425 posts
Dec 24, 2017
5:07 PM
Thanks for that Mr.JoeyMan. these are the first that I've done. Most Everything I've learned has come from youtube videos of some kind.... Accept what I was taking about here, I learned from a conversation with Winslow Yerxa.

I honestly didn't know I did the top lip thing so much. I started to pay attention after Bee said something ... and sure enough .. I seem to play with the top lip Alot. Lol. Just goes to show ... go with what feels right I guess. Lol.

Thanks again for the kind words about the video. Maybe I will do some more if I think of a good subject.

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