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Harmlessonica
202 posts
Apr 03, 2016
9:32 AM
Heh, okay, 'D.A.W.'.. I'll use that term next time I want to impress someone instead of using the word 'software'. :)

The initial test worked out okay, though the gear I have is somewhat cheap and cheerful.

I wanted to see how well the mics coped with wah effects - ie muting/unmuting. I've noticed previously that my phone would keep trying to balance the sound levels which can sound odd. recording separately doesn't seem to have that problem.

Not blues, by the way. Sorry. :)


Day-O (Banana Boat Song) from Harmlessonica on Vimeo.



Then, since I had the recording on my laptop, I played with a little reverb which was something I'd never done before.


Day-O (Banana Boat Song) with reverb from Harmlessonica on Vimeo.



I still need to experiment with the various dials and settings on the mixer to get the most out of the microphone, but it's a step in the right direction.

Thanks to everyone for the advice and encouragement.
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MindTheGap
1401 posts
Apr 03, 2016
11:39 PM
Sorry but I can't view these - I'm guessing you need to grant permissions to the public? I don't use vimeo so I don't know how that is done.

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Harmlessonica
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Apr 04, 2016
12:53 AM
They are set to be public, it might depend on the device you're using whether the plugin works in this forum. Have you tried the text links to view them on Vimeo instead?

To be honest, you're not missing much! I was just pleased I got that far in the process...

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MindTheGap
1404 posts
Apr 04, 2016
1:12 AM
I can view them now, both embedded here and on the vimeo site. You've got loads of stuff!

These are really good IMO. Great tone and note shaping - very musical to my ears. And the particular thing I'm envious of is your timing - there is a strong pulse even when you play gently.

EDIT - wow you've really go that tune + rhythm accompaniment thing down (I'm referring the songs on the vimeo site). Cantina Band, Streets of Cairo, Troika! And there's a Lee Oskar in the mix :)

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Apr 04, 2016 3:56 AM
Harmlessonica
208 posts
Apr 04, 2016
5:10 AM
Ha, thanks for the kind words.

Yes, that Lee Oskar harmonic minor is one of favourites. It just seems to encourage improvisation and playing by feel.

Most of my videos have been posted on harmonicaclub.com where I'm more active, and the emphasis isn't primarily blues.

I did a double take when you mentioned timing - that's the one thing that I've been particularly criticised on. Go figure.

But I play random stuff purely for fun so it's cool whatever anyone else thinks.

Once I started learning to tongue block,  vamping and chordal play was a natural progression. I tend to play solo so I do enjoy that kind of sound.

Thanks again!

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MindTheGap
1406 posts
Apr 04, 2016
5:31 AM
Re timing, that's interesting. Have you been working on it that case? It's a problem I had (have) so I listen out for it.

In the Rick Estrin teaching vid (just the trailer on YT, I can't seem to find it in the UK), there's a little bit where he says: lots of peoples' motive is to play with a band, so they don't develop their own internal rhythm. That's me, that is.

I heard your single note stuff first, and it DID have pulse. It was only after that I heard your lead + rhythm pieces and that was 'ah ha'.

It's almost a digital thing - either you put out a pulse or you don't.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Apr 04, 2016 5:33 AM
Harmlessonica
210 posts
Apr 04, 2016
7:07 AM
I haven't been consciously working on it, I tend to practise without particular goals or aspirations, often chopping and changing as I go.

In fact I often freely improvise, for example taking extra / longer draw chords if I feel I'm running out of breath.

It could be that vamping helps you to keep better timing, like tapping your foot. Never thought of it that way before. ..
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MindTheGap
1408 posts
Apr 04, 2016
7:23 AM
Ok. And it's not about being a human metronome, so solo players often do muck about with adding extra beats or whole or half bars, changing tempo at will. But what I'm talking about is different than that - it's about hearing the pulse within in the phrases.

I could indeed imagine some people pointing out timing 'errors' in your offering, and in a technical sense they are right. And that may or may not be helpful. If you were playing with a band you couldn't be so free. But you're playing solo here.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Apr 04, 2016 7:24 AM
Killa_Hertz
939 posts
Apr 04, 2016
10:00 AM
I thought the timing was good aswell. Especially being such large spaces in the playing. You really gotta have that"internal metronome " as mtg said.

Also I do tend to add beats to my playing, Vamping or whathave you, to keep time. It just kindof happened naturally for me. But i tend to speed up when i get going into something and lose the timing a bit. I think we all do. Lol.

But good job man i liked it.

It doesnt have to be blues, as far as im concerned. Post whatever your feeling man. Im down to listen to it.
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Harmlessonica
211 posts
Apr 04, 2016
3:34 PM
Thanks Killa.

The line on this forum about 'developing blues harp players' is curiously ambiguous, as the harmonica itself is known as the 'blues harp' so it could easily apply to any style of music...

Getting back on topic, I could still use some advice on setting levels and such. My mixer has a 'trim' setting, which affects the microphone volume considerably. So should I set it to be as loud as possible (without clipping) or keep it quieter so as not to pick up extraneous sounds?


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Killa_Hertz
941 posts
Apr 04, 2016
5:23 PM
Dont quote me on this, but i believe the rule of thumb is

Analog Devices you want to be just below clipping.

Digital you want nice low n even.

I think it's because theres no pres to overload. And when you start messing with the daw and adding tracks together and effects the finished product ends up clipping out hard. So the lower you can record the more headroom you have to mess with.

Something along those lines. Theres alot of info out there for home recording. Home studios ate huge right now.


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MindTheGap
1414 posts
Apr 05, 2016
5:19 AM
Do quote him :) Yes that's right.

You can record at one level, and then normalise or reduce the signal once in the DAW to give more headroom for effects.

If you want to reduce extraneous sounds, then getting nearer to the mic is a simple way to do that. You are then louder that the other sounds. But it can change the sound and even the timbre, but you might like that.

Your DAW would typically include a compressor function. This evens out the signal levels and is used a lot (some say too much) in recording. Again, it will change the sound but again you might like that.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Apr 05, 2016 5:21 AM
Harmlessonica
212 posts
Apr 05, 2016
2:55 PM
Thanks again.

I'll do another test soon - hopefully when the East Top arrives... ;)
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rogonzab
1025 posts
Apr 12, 2017
9:02 AM
I found this serie of videos and they are a great way to learn how to start recording songs in our home. Maybe some of you find it usefull:



Yes, I know that I posted the older version of this series before, but this new version is more aimed to beginers, so I guess is better suite for this thread.
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Sorry for any misspell, english is not my first language.

Last Edited by rogonzab on Apr 12, 2017 9:08 AM


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