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? about converting MB w/nails to screws
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Jaymo
2 posts
Nov 28, 2010
6:46 PM
I have several Hohner MBs. I want to seal the wood combs and thought I may as well convert them from nails to screws/nuts while I'm at it. My questions are, what size screws/nuts do I need for the reedplates/cover plates, and where do I get them?

Thanks in advance. I don't post much, because the more I reed/less I post, the less likely I am to say/do something to get myself banned.
nacoran
3318 posts
Nov 29, 2010
4:24 AM
0-80 screws will do the trick. They are awfully tiny. The hardware store didn't have them but I finally found them at a model train hardware store. You can get a tap set for drilling it out, but I don't have the numbers for that off the top of my head. You can look it up using the screw size though.

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Baker
84 posts
Nov 29, 2010
5:05 AM
I use cover plate screws from the Hohner MS series for the cover plates and M2 x 10 Allen screws for the reed plates. I get them from http://www.harponline.de as I am in the UK.

Also here is some information on how to go about it.
(Video 1 of 11):

arzajac
398 posts
Nov 29, 2010
7:38 AM
M2 screws fit nicely. 10 mm is also the perfect length for the coverplates. 3/8 of an inch is just too short and longer that that in imperial measurements stick out too much. 10 mm fastens just flush with the nut.

You can also use the M2X10mm screws for the reedplates. You can use nuts or you can tap the opposite reedplate to make it simpler to reassemble. If you have lots of harps to do, it's cheaper in the long run to tap since the nuts are more expensive than the screws.

I order from Microfasteners.com:

Nuts:
http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/products/METHNM.cfm
HNMS020 50 M2 x .4mm Stainless $ 2.90

Screws:
http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/products/METMSPPS.cfm

MSPPS2010 50 M2 x .4 x 10 $ 2.50


If you want the reedplate screws to not protrude, get 8 mm. If you want them to touch the opposing coverplate and be a post (to prevent crushing), get 12 mm.

Drill bits for M2
#52 and #46
The smaller one is for tapping, the bigger one is for clearance.

M2 Tap:
http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/products/TNMTAP.cfm
TAPM2 1 M2 x .4mm $ 9.50

I hope this helps.


EDIT:

More recent post with some photos:
http://www.modernbluesharmonica.com/board/board_topic/5560960/1613404.htm
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Last Edited by on Jul 10, 2011 4:22 AM
nacoran
3319 posts
Nov 29, 2010
1:22 PM
Arzajac, I knew my post would just be a place holder until you got here! :) I think I'm going to add this to the thread thread for a parts section.

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isaacullah
1261 posts
Nov 29, 2010
1:58 PM
In the states, size 2-56 bolts are an all around good harmonica size. I use them to replace both the reedplate nails and the coverplate attachment nails too. In a pinch you can always find them at your local radioshack (2-56 nuts too), as this is the size of bolt used to attach many circuit boards in DIY electronics. They only sell slotted heads though. I use a 2-56 tap to tap the holes I drill in the reedplates. You can get a 2-56 size tap at ACE hardware. I can't remember the drill sizes I use, but I use two sizes: one that's a little larger diameter than the 2-56 bolts and one that's a little smaller. I use the smaller for the draw reedplates where I am going to tap the holes, and I use the larger for the blow reedplates and the coverplate bolts where I want full clearance for the bolts to slide in.

0-80 bolts are good for replacing reeds, but I think that they are too skinny for good reedplate securing.

You can find all kinds of 2-56 screws with phillips or hex heads on Amazon (which are much better than slotted heads!). For example:
Brass, pan head, Phillips
Stainless steel, socket head, hex
As well as 0-80 screws for reed replacement:
Stainless, pan-head, phillips

For reedplates I like my bolts to be 3/8" to 1/2" long. 3/8" stand just a little proud of the reedplate, and 1/2" sticks way proud. The 1/2" bolts can be configure so that they act as coverplate supports (eg. two facing up, and one down). 3/8" is just a little too short for attaching the coverplates using a standard 2-56 nut, so I use 1/2". There isn't TOO much of the bolt standing proud above the nut, but there is a little. For the 0-80 reed replacement screws, 1/8" is what you want, or else you'll have to really cut and then sand the end of the bolt flush with the bottom of the reedplate...



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Last Edited by on Nov 29, 2010 2:01 PM
thebugleboy
1 post
Dec 22, 2013
6:48 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I just now noticed something in Baker's videos.
Do you always take your pants off to do videos?
I noticed them hanging behind you in vid #11.
Does that help you breathe better? LOL

thebugleboy
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120 posts
Dec 23, 2013
12:24 AM
Try this option.... McMaster-Carr sells:

18-8 stainless steel-- DIN 912-A2
# 91292A011

2mm x 10mm, pitch: 0.4ml
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Alex
SuperBee
1595 posts
Dec 23, 2013
1:18 AM
I think that's Frank's video.
And I appreciated it. I might tackle the task now
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arzajac
1226 posts
Dec 23, 2013
4:23 AM
Two words - Drill press.

Sounds like a great Christmas present idea!
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Frank
3543 posts
Dec 23, 2013
7:24 AM
That is my video Bee...I put those up around 3 years ago. They are the basics for tinkering with a harp and serve the purpose of getting folks to experiment a little - the responses have been positive and players seem to like the simple instructions. The 1st vid has over 11,000 views, so it's getting around one way or another - I don't promote them at all :)
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Last Edited by Frank on Dec 23, 2013 7:25 AM
Milsson
99 posts
Dec 23, 2013
1:20 PM
Spalding fasteners in the UK for europens. I use m1,6 for Reed plates. Buy the tap on eBay. Its about a tenth of the retail price.
florida-trader
414 posts
Dec 23, 2013
1:47 PM
I’m a little surprised that nobody has mentioned 1-72’s as an option. That’s what I use. I find that the 0-80’s are a little too small for my taste and the 2-56’s are a little wide to use as reed plate screws. I try my best not to use nuts by tapping the draw plates. Sometimes it is unavoidable. Typically a hole is drilled between the base of the 2 and 3 draw reeds. There isn’t a lot of meat on the bone in that area. The head on a 2-56 is almost too big to fit in that space and not interfere with the reed pads. Almost. A 1-72 is perfect. And 1-72’s are readily available at most of the online stores for about $5.00 for a package of 100. The nuts cost the same. I get mine from MicroFastener.com

The screws for the cover plates are a different story. I could see using 2-56’s for that but I prefer binding screws. These are the kind found on MS harps, Marine Band Deluxe & Crossover, Seydels and Suzukis. They are not as easy to find and are much more expensive. You can get them off the Seydel website if you look for parts for the 1847. In my opinion, they give a harp a nice finished look.





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Last Edited by florida-trader on Dec 23, 2013 1:51 PM
TBird
45 posts
Dec 24, 2013
1:03 PM
Glad to see this thread pop back up seeing as it is a project I hope to tackle soon. Can I get a little more info on how many reed plate screws you guys use and where you place them? Thanks!


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