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rbeetsme
318 posts
Nov 10, 2010
7:23 PM
Trolling through ebay recently, couldn't help noticing the prices people were asking for traditionally harp friendly vintage amps. Premiers and Kalamazoos at 500.00+, Valcos up to a 1,000, Gibsons even more. I wonder if anyone is getting that much. No bargains anyway. Guess I better hang on to mine.
Mojokane
141 posts
Nov 10, 2010
7:31 PM
yeah, I wish I could get soemthing close to what I put in to this stuff. I have some stuff I'd like to sell. But feel it's a buyers market right now. Boo hoo.
And, unfortunately, seemingly...for a long time coming.
Joe_L
820 posts
Nov 10, 2010
9:06 PM
I think some of those people are asking higher than market prices for those amps. Recently, I've spoken with several of my amps/guitar collecting friends. They've told me that it's a buyers market now, but that's not stopping people from asking insane prices for things.

The days of finding screaming deals on ebay seem to be over. When they run zero cost listing fees, you seem to see more of these listings where people are asking higher than market prices.

Sometimes good deals can be found, e.g. I saw a Sonny Junior 410 listed for a $750 Buy It Now. That's a screaming deal for a hand wired Bassman w/ vintage series Weber speakers. I would have pulled the trigger on it had I not just purchased a used Super Sonny at a good price.

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toddlgreene
2093 posts
Nov 11, 2010
5:09 AM
Whoa-750? That's an incredible deal on a Sonny amp! Unfortunately, deals like that pop up rarely, and you gotta be ready to pounce immediately to get them. Didn't JR's Egyptian Bassman go for something like 800 bucks, too?
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strawwoodclaw
123 posts
Nov 11, 2010
6:39 AM
you can get bargains on ebay but you have to keep looking. a lot people will wait to bid in the last second if they forget you end up with a bargain.

EZ sniper is a good thing for getting bargains.
I recently bought a Premier 120 in excellent condition for $295 which sounds excellent

a lot of people bid very high price for a amp that is knackered with all the parts changed then when it turns up it sounds no good
Pluto
103 posts
Nov 11, 2010
7:12 AM
I don't understand why anyone would pay that much for a guitar amp. There are so many botique options available out there it just doesn't make sense to me. No guitar amp will ever match the feedback resistance of a harp specific amp. Ever! And in most cases harp amps sound better!
bonedog569
111 posts
Nov 11, 2010
5:37 PM
Keep an eye on your local Craigslist. Prices will almost always be lower than ebay. Don't forget garage sales either. Ebay will find the one person on the planet willing to pay top dollar- or the seller will just hold on to it and re-list later. You should still be able to find a single 6v6 tube amp for $2-300. Sometimes less - Two out put 6v6 amps can also be found for around the $300+ range. At least the last time I tried. I've sworn off collecting the little buggers though. Built my own harp amp that I'm happy with - for now -. OF course if a super garage sale bargain comes my way - - -

You should be willing to work on these old things if you are going to get into it. Otherwise count on extra expense - unless you get really lucky.

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rbeetsme
319 posts
Nov 11, 2010
5:53 PM
I agree that the harp specific amps are the way to go, however, there are some sweet vintage amps that sound terrific for harp. Any tweed Champ I've seen sounded good, as do the Kalamazoos. I have a rare Masco combo that works well for harp and my Danelectro Commando rivals the tone of my Super Sonny 4X10. Granted, some tube swapping helps here. As for playing at a blues gig or festival, it just seems right to bring a vintage amp. So I guess the answer to my original question is that the high priced amps aren't selling.
Grillslinger
87 posts
Nov 11, 2010
7:07 PM
I really got lucky. Ampex 620. $25 on Craigslist. Sounds fantastic with the that Sonotone CM 10A.



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Ev630
807 posts
Nov 11, 2010
9:51 PM
"I don't understand why anyone would pay that much for a guitar amp. There are so many botique options available out there it just doesn't make sense to me. No guitar amp will ever match the feedback resistance of a harp specific amp. Ever! And in most cases harp amps sound better!"

Man, I totally disagree with you. There are plenty of unmodded classic guitar amps that are as good or would blow away any boutique harp amp. And the top harp amps are based on old guitar amp designs anyway.

Still, a diversity of choice and views is cool, right?

Anyway, the reason I wanted to drop into this thread was to say that it is ABSOLUTELY a buyer's market for guitars and amps right now. Ebay is pretty good just now (I just bought a brand new 2010 custom shop '54 Goldtop for 2.5k) but the absolute best place, my little secret for all you amp junkies, is The Gear Page Emporiums. The deals on gear there are unbelievable.

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Pluto
104 posts
Nov 12, 2010
7:42 AM
well EV, I'm not talking out of my ass. I currently own Masco, Bogen, Newcomb PA amps. I've played through a modded Fender Twin, a Fender Pro and a Premier Twin 8. I know of no one who professional plays through a guitar amp without an AFB or a midbass cut, or just plays at low volume and mics it.
You simply cannot get the volume out of a guitar amp that you can a harp amp.
Harp amps may use guitar amp designs, but the reason they are harp amps is they've been modified. By the time you've modified a guitar amp to be harp friendly, in most cases it is no longer a guitar amp.
The reason I originally commented, was to chime in about paying such a high price for guitar amps. I own a moded Kalamazoo and love it. But it cost me under $200
5F6H
373 posts
Nov 12, 2010
9:19 AM
I don't think you are talking out of your ass Pluto, but I have to agree with EV630 as well. There are cases for/against on both sides.

The thing is, I'm not precious about amps, I don't see classic amps as something passed down from the heavens to man...amps are just amps (made by factories, employing semi-skilled workers who are thinking about beer/football/TV etc whilst assembling your pride & joy), some suit our purposes for harp playing better than others, the amp itself does not care about harps, guitars, pianos or kazoos...didgeridoos, or whatever...

A good condition brown Concert, or 3x10 Bandmaster, Super Reverb, Twin or a sympathetic bassman (there are a dozen permutations of the 5F6A circuit) are just about as good as amps get for harp. Concert, Twin & Super Reverb go as loud as anything around, if set up well (no mods, as such). Remember that prior to the 90's there was no such thing as a harp specific amp, but yet the majority of classic harp recordings were made before this date. Many players who own "harp" amps also own unmodded production amps too (though people don't mind rebiasing stock amps, fitting different rectifiers, tubes & speakers...and then still calling them "stock"...I guess I find either extreme of perception a bit baffling).

Bear in mind that there is no, one, universally accepted way to mod/tweak an amp, various folk have varied & valid ways of getting the performance they desire.

Luckily today, we have a wide choice of reasonably priced amps, recommended for harp, many of which are cheaper than a similarly constructed amp would cost from Fender new. Plus there's the reissues, & the used market, myriad mod suggestions on the web. I don't understand why anyone is putting up with anything that they don't love the sound of.

I know & have known of plenty of players that played through unmodified amps and sound(ed) great. My philosophy is that you start with a good basis, that if you have to change a large number of components then you have probably started with the wrong amp in the first place (if you're building from th ground up, then it makes sense to just fit the parts you like to start with). When I modify a guitar amp for harp, I'm not typically seeking to make it unrecogniseable from the stock amp, just to bring out the good attributes, and dial out the ones that aren't so helpful. Sometimes the difference might be a handful of parts, easily replaced if resale is required...I have even had guitar players ask for amps to be modded just like a harp version that they happen to have played through, without them being aware thatit's a harp set up, they just liked the sound (not often, but it happens).

Me personally, I end up tweaking any amp I buy (not that I buy many these days), because I usually find something I don't like (a great amp to me is really an amp that has as few flaws as possible, though lots of good amps, for recording especially, might have desirable "flaws" though...), but for customers, they get what they want, however near/far that ends up from the original design.

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tmf714
333 posts
Nov 12, 2010
9:46 AM
There may have been no such thing as a "harp specific" amp prior to the 90's,but do you really think most harp players used Super Reverbs and large amps in the studio? They used smaller amps with 8" or 10" speakers with low wattage-I owned an early Super blackface after seeing Gary Primach use one-the worst amp I ever owned-that particular circuit is very hard to voice for harp. I traded it for a Bassman reissue and cash-I used the cash to have my friend Chris Davis,guitar and amp tech for Hall and Oates,install a Hoffman kit with 2 22uf flter caps for the preamp stages,6 1000piv 1a rectifiers,flyback spike eliminator circiut,and set the bias at 40ma-I added all vintage original '59 Bassman tubes and hand laquered the cab myself-total cost-about $350.00. That was the best amp I ever owned-I sold that to but a 4x10 Harpking-no vintage amp even comes close to it. I asked Gary about his Blackface when I saw him a Terra Blues in NYC-he said that was the worst amp he ever owned and could not wait to dump that thing.
Thomas Fiacco III

Last Edited by on Nov 12, 2010 9:48 AM
Ev630
808 posts
Nov 12, 2010
12:31 PM
Pluto, I disagree with you. This is wrong:

You simply cannot get the volume out of a guitar amp that you can a harp amp.

It's okay to disagree. The fact is I have played and continue to play amps that are as loud as custom amps. My Clark Bassman is as loud as my Super Sonny. It's a fact.
5F6H
374 posts
Nov 12, 2010
1:27 PM
@tmf714, A Super Reverb normal channel is very close to a Concert, or any other tolex amp normal channel. Carey Bell, Paul Butterfield, Jerry Portnoy, Rick Estrin, Rod Piazza (as have many touring players) have all used them, to name but a few, prior to the advent of the "harp" amp. Steve Guyger has/had a BF Concert, which apart from the SS rectifier (running the amp at a lower voltage than a BF SR with a GZ34), has the same circuit as the Super Reverb Normal channel. These amps still have 10" speakers. A SR is no harder to voice for harp than any other Fender 4x10".

Kim Wilson has cited the BF Super Reverb as one of his most often used amps (this was only 2yrs ago).

I'm glad you like your Harpking & sorry to hear about the late & much missed Mr Primich's experience, I have seen enough of these amps & witnessed enough live performances with then to know that he was just unlucky.

Many hard working players recorded with their main stage amp, others with stage amps and smaller "studio" amps, some direct to the board.

EV630 is right, the volume/power of an amp is related to the power tube voltage, many vintage amps run well over the voltages found in many of today's harp amp, many more run equivalent voltages. The harp amp can however be more user friendly & less tricky to set up & control, if you prefer the tone (most important) then that's what you should buy.

I have no vintage vs. modern harp amp agenda. The better amp comes down to personal preference and the specific amp (not model) in question. The facts are simply what they are.
tmf714
334 posts
Nov 12, 2010
1:39 PM
I have seen Kim Wilson play at least 40 times over the last 20 years-I have never seen him use a Super Reverb.
The last time I saw Steve Guyger-April 2010-his Black Concert crapped out in the middle of a show. Luckily,my friend Pat and I helped him out with an amp from backstage.
I think what Pluto is getting at is a vintage Fender black or browm amp will usually need some tube swaps before it will get max volume for harp without feedback.
Joe_L
825 posts
Nov 12, 2010
3:04 PM
Having a lot of friends that collect vintage equipment has it's advantages. I've had the opportunity to play through a variety of amps. It doesn't get much better than an original Bassman, Super Reverb or Concert that is in good operating condition.

I own a Super Sonny. Why? The price was right and it sounds good. I couldn't find a nice original Bassman, Super Reverb or Concert at a price that I was willing to pay. Plus, I had the opportunity to play through that specific amp and knew it sounded good. Eventually, I will have to sell it. Hopefully, it'll maintain it's value.

Last year, I had an opportunity to play through a friend's interesting find on ebay. He picked up a Vibro-clone made from a silverface Bandmaster Reverb head for a dirt cheap price. It had an old alnico Jensen from the 50's. That thing made a fabulous harp amp. It was toneful and quite loud.

He also had a 63 brown Vibroverb reissue. He crammed a 15" speaker in that and it sounded great for harp, too. The tone was nice and it was as loud as necessary on the night that I played through it.

Before the advent of harp specific amps and the reissue Bassman, most of the guys that played harp through amps in Chicago used Super Reverbs. Why? They sounded good. They were plenty loud. They were plentiful and relatively inexpensive. You could buy them used all day long for about $300. I know guys that will take a Super Reverb with them when they buy a car. If it fits in the trunk, the car is a keeper.

I also know guys that will sing through a Super Reverb rather than lug a PA to a gig. They are almost like a Swiss Army knife. Not always the perfect tool for the job, but they get the job done. Lots of great players have played through Super Reverbs and sounded just fine.

They're just amps.

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Pluto
105 posts
Nov 12, 2010
3:27 PM
Thanks TMF, you're right on half of what I said. Most guitar amps that are used have been modded. Now, I said most. When I said harp amps are louder, I meant before feedback. Another point, it really depend on what you want to sound like. I personally don't like the tinny sound generated by guitar amps. The harp players from the past typically used low wattage amps for recording, which do sound great. Its funny to see how so many people get so many different things out of what I said. Buy the way, I have seen Kim play though a fender twin, but with a string of pedals first
tmf714
335 posts
Nov 12, 2010
6:03 PM
This is what I thought-I had to go through some of my paperwork from back when I owned the Super-two of it's biggest faults-speakers,which is gives the amp it's "voice"-and lack of a presence circuit-this quoted from harp-l archives-

A Super Reverb is not the same as a 4-10 Bassman. The circuit is not the
same. The Silverface Supers use a different biasing system for the
preamp. The speakers aren't alnico 5 and therefore sound radically
different than the later ceramic Jensens. The output transformer is a
plastic bobbin type and much less efficent than the older Triad types
used in the Bassman. The reverb exaccerbates feedback problems. The EQ
on the tone controls isn't the same. The Super lacks a presence
circuit. Presence gives you bite without feedback. To compare the 2
amplifiers directly is unfair and misleading. A Bassman at 3 is
seriously loud. That's not true of a Concert another 4-10 Fender
amplifier of the same era. I don't own a Super so I can't say for sure
but I expect that they're more like the Concerts than the Bassman. The
only thing you could say about the 3 amplifiers is that they're all
4-10's made by Fender. FJM
tmf714
336 posts
Nov 12, 2010
6:21 PM
Joe_L
826 posts
Nov 12, 2010
7:34 PM
Those Super Reverbs sure do sound sweet!

I just watched a whole bunch of Muddy Waters videos from the 70's featuring Jerry Portnoy playing the harp through Supers and Twins.

I had almost forgotten how good those amps sound.

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Ev630
809 posts
Nov 12, 2010
8:54 PM
If you want a guitar amp that is killer loud and never sounds tinny: tweed Bassman. Works for me. As loud and as fat (if not more so in the FAT department) than my Super Sonny, and certainly louder than the Meteor I owned.
ZackPomerleau
1271 posts
Nov 12, 2010
10:50 PM
I got to play through one of Butterfield's Super Reverbs...those things sound awesommeeeee.
5F6H
376 posts
Nov 13, 2010
5:18 AM
TMF714, a Super Reverb does have alnico speakers, if it's a Super Reverb that comes with Alnico speakers...you can always fit them, that's a moot point.

The reverb circuit does add gain, it doesn't affect the amp's overall volume though, just the knob setting. It also has 2 channels, one without reverb, you can choose which one to play through. It's a moot point.

Add one capacitor to a Super Reverb and bingo you have a presence circuit, change 2 resistors, add one pot & a cap and you have the same presence circuit as a Concert/Bassman. Takes 30 minutes with the chassis out. It's a moot point.

Yes, there is a subtle difference in tone between a Super Reverb and a bassman, SR is a little more scooped in the mids as it lacks the cathode follower tone circuit & isolated volume pot. Cab make a difference as the floating baffle in the bassman has more give, but none of this directly affects the loudness of the amp, in many cases if you heard the 2 in a blind test/recording on playback it would be very hard to tell them apart.

Very few players retube (lo mu preamps) a brown Concert/Pro/Bandmaster for harp use, they usually lose punch & volume if you do. With a SR I would be more inclined to increase gain by using a 12AX7 in the phase inverter.

Kim Wilson gigs more than twice a year, you have not seen the majority of his gigs.

Many mid 60's Super Reverbs run voltages, way in excess of all but the highest voltage re-issues & reproduction Bassman amps, as do some Brown Concerts (520-530vdc at the power tubes is not particularly unusual, 495vdc for the brown amps is most common - I see an awful lot of brown Fenders).

Over the decades of the SR's production however, there have been significant changes, especially with regards to power transformers (>100v difference in power tube voltages), speakers etc. Thus it is very difficult to pinpoint "SR tone" specifically, a good one is a good amp.

I know this from 1st hand experience.

But, at the end of the day, most folks don't pick an amp purely based on it's outright volume, it does not always go hand in hand with most pleasing tone, if a amp sounds good to you & is loud enough then that's what you should play.

Pluto, many harp players used stage amps for recording, many used stage amps & small amps on the same album, some even mic up both & balance the signals. Some great harp recordings were straight to the desk. I know from the amount of experienced players who get this wrong, assuming an amp of a different type was used, plus from my own experience in the studio (lay down 3 tracks from different amps, go to bed, come in the next day - you better keep notes, don't rely on your ears) that it is very hard to tell an amp's "size" from a recording, you "might" be able to hear fixed vs. cathode bias, you might hear single ended vs push-pull, but even these dovetail a lot of the time.

Me, I'd take a small amp in the studio as I find them quicker to set up & easier to get a good signal without pushing up the volume in the room, or driving the recording mic.

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Pluto
106 posts
Nov 13, 2010
6:02 AM
EV630, You're good. I'm the sucker again. I bit!
I own both a bassman and a large meteor. I've actually put a db meter on both (because I own the equipment, its what I do). The bassman doesn't come close to the volume of the meteor. (laughs) You really need to keep a sense of humor in theses rooms, and understand what motivates some people to contribute.
5F6H
377 posts
Nov 13, 2010
7:28 AM
Pluto, that's cool, care to share your figures & provide a datum?
tmf714
337 posts
Nov 13, 2010
7:42 AM
@5F6H-"Kim Wilson gigs more than twice a year, you have not seen the majority of his gigs."
I was not suggesting that I have-did I say that somewhere? I have seen Kim use a Brown Pro,an original 59 Bassman,2 Devilles linked together,a Masco through a 15" weber in a Victoria cab linked to a Brown Super,two reissue Bassmans linked together,an dmany other amps-never a Super Reverb.
As for Jerry Portnoy-I own three DVD's of Muddy's tours of Europe in the 70's-Molde Jazz Fest 1977,Warsaw,Poland 1976 and Dortmund,Germany 1976. Jerry used a Silver Twin for all of those shows.
5F6H
378 posts
Nov 13, 2010
8:10 AM
Yes, Thomas, you said that you have seen Wilson many times and, that to your knowledge, he has never used a SR. That is clearly what your post inferred. I have never seen him use a SR either, but he clearly told 2 acquaintances of mine that the SR was one of his 3 most commonly used amps.

Rockpalast 1978 for an example of JP & SR, took me 30 seconds to find. I have other unmarked VHS tapes showing the same thing.

Any player that tours regularly, especially overseas, has probably played through one at some point or another. I don't know why you see this as a big deal.
barbequebob
1428 posts
Nov 13, 2010
8:22 AM
I've had a few amps but I've never collected as many as some have and I've gone thru far fewer amps than most people.

I've owned a '65 Twin Reverb that I bought in 1975 that had EV SRO's in them and had to have a heavier baffle board to take the weight of speaker magnets alone (the magnets alone weighed 15 lbs. each). I usually played thru the normal channel, which in most every black faced Fender ever made, tends to be better for harp. It was loud, and a heavy beast to drag at the end of the night and I sold that to a C&W guitarist for the same amount of money I bought it for at the time ($350, and this was before the vintage market got crazy).

I then bought a '65 Super Reverb in 1977 from a guy who bought it brand new in '65. It was also a pretty good one, with alnico speakers (some came with ceramic ferrite magnet speakers) but I eventually sold it in '83 to buy the amp I still presently own, which is a REAL and unmodified '59 Bassman, which I got for $425 at the time with a silver faced Fender outboard tube reverb thrown in the deal.

Each of those amps are plenty loud enough and that Bassman ain't gonna be for sale.

Man, just looking over these amp discussions at times makes me want to laugh my butt off because too many players are overly gear obsessive.
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walterharp
491 posts
Nov 13, 2010
9:11 AM
Mark,
I only call you on one of your statements

"Me personally, I end up tweaking any amp I buy (not that I buy many these days), because I usually find something I don't like"

even if you got the amp that sounded perfect, you would still open it up and tweak it because you are compelled by irresistible force to do it :-)
tmf714
338 posts
Nov 13, 2010
9:25 AM
"I have seen Kim Wilson play at least 40 times over the last 20 years-I have never seen him use a Super Reverb."
Not saying he never has-the many times I saw him he was not-thats all I said-dont mince my words please.
If you feel compelled to do so,contact me off list.
NO BIG DEAL-

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Tuckster
770 posts
Nov 13, 2010
9:27 AM
So this begs the question: What makes an amp "harp friendly".If I'm shopping on e-bay and looking for an undiscovered bargain and not the usual suspects(Bassman,Super or even a Zoo). Are there certain circuits configurations,speaker combination etc. that at least will give me an idea it will work for harp?
tmf714
339 posts
Nov 13, 2010
9:39 AM
Jerry used a silver twin for Rockplast -a lot of people mistake Muddys amp for Jerrys-I have the complete concert with footage from behind Muddy-two speakers in Jerry's cab with tilt back legs.
Thomas Fiacco III
5F6H
379 posts
Nov 13, 2010
10:26 AM
@ Walterharp - Ha ha, indeed, well you never know the limits unless you exceed them ;-)

Tuckster, many of the desirable attributes are things that really become evident when you open the amp up...there are lesser known amp that are great, especially for recording...but if you stray from the conventional wisdom you may have to kiss a few frogs. If you can't try the amp in person, I guess the vendor might offer a good quality video clip?
tolga7t
111 posts
Nov 13, 2010
10:26 AM
Ive got a Bogen CH8 ($200) that Ive been trying to sell for months with no luck.
5F6H
381 posts
Nov 13, 2010
11:27 AM
Feel free to go running to Adam...or, alternatively work on a sense of humour...:-D (just in case you don't get it this time).
5F6H
382 posts
Nov 14, 2010
3:46 AM
Grow up Thomas. We're not in the schoolyard anymore. Most grown ups can have a discussion about amps without descending to threats of physical violence.

Your posts typically consist of "I'm telling you the way it is, my perception is fact & you better agree with me or else", and now it seems if people don't agree, you issue veiled threats.

It's getting pretty tiresome to be honest. If you what to share, then share, if you want to learn, then open your mind (I learn stuff all the time, simply by conceding I don't already know everything).

You can have your last word now...I know you'll want to...

Last Edited by on Nov 14, 2010 4:21 AM
Ev630
810 posts
Nov 14, 2010
4:29 AM
Pluto, why are we arguing? I owned a Meteor and it was a fine amp. I gigged it on a road tour down through the South Coast of Australia and in Sydney. It was no louder than any Bassman I have ever used. Or indeed my 63 Concert. But it lacked the bass response of my larger Clark amps (Penrose and Piedmont), so I moved it on.

I own a Super Sonny and a Clark Piedmont. Both fine amps and both about as loud as one another. The Clark is the only amp I'd ever keep if forced to thin the herd. It is loud enough to keep up with a loud band and in fact I tend to dial in 3 or 6db on the attenuator at gigs to BRING IT DOWN so it doesn't offend people.

If you can't get very loud gig volume without feedback out of a Clark Bassman, stock set up for guitar, then the problem isn't with the amp. If you need a louder amp then you are damaging your audience's hearing permanently, and I feel we have some duty of care in that regard.

Now, I won't argue with you. I've owned a bunch of these amps, custom and vintage. The old 50s Fender and early sixties browns (and amps designed off those circuits) are still the best toned harp amps for loud gigging - and that's why the custom amp guys are doing "versions" of those circuits. For recording or lower volume gigs there are many dozens more options available, Masco, Valco, Premier, Fender, Gibson, whatever.

So if you post comments like this:

"I don't understand why anyone would pay that much for a guitar amp. There are so many botique options available out there it just doesn't make sense to me. No guitar amp will ever match the feedback resistance of a harp specific amp. Ever! And in most cases harp amps sound better!"

Be prepared to get answers or different opinions.

Best
EV
tmf714
342 posts
Nov 14, 2010
4:35 AM
One thing I have noticed on ebay is that some of those amps go through the auction process without hitting the reserve-then,the item is relisted again and again,sometimes for months until the seller eventually comes down to a "real world" price.
Ev630
811 posts
Nov 14, 2010
4:36 AM
He taught me not to have a sense of humor-it weakens the spirit.

He taught you well, grasshopper!
Littoral
185 posts
Nov 14, 2010
4:49 AM
It makes it tiresome to read when there's actually decent info to learn in here. I get pissed off too but try moving on instead of bitching. There REALLY is nothing to gain.
5F6H, I could use some early brown concert assistance, what state are you in?

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5F6H
383 posts
Nov 14, 2010
5:18 AM
Littoral, I'm in the UK. There may be someone nearer to you, stateside who can help, but you can ship the chassis to me if needed (£GP to $US is not very favourable right now).

What's the principal issue?

Feel free PM me via Myspace or Facebook.

Mark Burness.
Joe_L
829 posts
Nov 14, 2010
1:47 PM
One thing I have noticed on ebay is that some of those amps go through the auction process without hitting the reserve-then,the item is relisted again and again,sometimes for months until the seller eventually comes down to a "real world" price.

Exactly, zero insertion fees may be a friend to the seller, but they clog up the works and give the appearance of inflationary prices. Another tactic is to set a crazy high "Buy It Now" price.

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