tookatooka
1603 posts
Jul 30, 2010
2:34 PM
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Been involved in doing a lot of tongue warbling lately. I been using a Sp20 and my tongue is really quite sore now. I find the Suzuki and Bushman Delta Frost have more rounded tines and is more comfortable to practice on.
I really don't know how you MB and wooden comb users are able to practice this for any length of time.
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Andrew
1098 posts
Jul 30, 2010
2:45 PM
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I don't rub my tongue on the comb - I move it about between my upper lip and the reedplate.
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tookatooka
1604 posts
Jul 30, 2010
3:08 PM
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I can't seem to get a decent seal from the adjacent note if I try that Andrew.
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DeakHarp
119 posts
Jul 30, 2010
4:13 PM
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on a marine band you just have to brush it verry light ...
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DirtyDeck
112 posts
Jul 30, 2010
4:22 PM
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I think your tongueing gets instictively lighter the more you practice with the MBs. After you've suffered 4 or 5 slashed tongue-tips you sort've learn your lesson :)
There may also be some toughening of the tongue involved, I'm not enough of an authority to say for sure. But I would imagine that it works similarly to the way your fingertips callus after playing alot of guitar.
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pharpo
346 posts
Jul 30, 2010
6:26 PM
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I've played MB's for many years and have never slashed my tongue.
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nacoran
2390 posts
Jul 30, 2010
7:36 PM
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Put a piece of sandpaper on your tongue, facing the harmonica, and then practice. It will taste like sawdust and sandpaper for a few weeks, but eventually you will have the smoothest combs you've ever seen. Make sure to adjust to higher grits as needed!
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Kyzer Sosa
722 posts
Jul 31, 2010
12:56 AM
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sore lips a few times but never once a sore tongue...
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Ant138
520 posts
Jul 31, 2010
1:25 AM
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I know when i first started practicing Tongue Blocking i got lots of little Mouth ulcers all over the tip of my tongue from pinching it on the edge of the harmonica. I don't get that at all now, mainly because i don't tongue block with the tip of my tongue, but that was a sore learning curve.
Oddly enough i havn't ever practiced tongue worbling. I'm off to give that a go now:o)
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Andrew
1099 posts
Jul 31, 2010
4:21 AM
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Tooka, with tongue warbling I don't even attempt to get the same note precision as I do with normal warbling. Lightly is the key, as Deak says.
Tongue warbling is a different effect. AFAIK, it's usually done because it's faster than the usual kind. The effect sought (by the player and by the audience?) doesn't seem to me to require precision. But perhaps precision will come with practice, if people really think it's necessary.
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Elwood
496 posts
Jul 31, 2010
5:59 AM
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I'm working on it too. Without much success as yet.
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DirtyDeck
114 posts
Jul 31, 2010
6:43 AM
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Hmmmn, thinking back, maybe the slashed-tongues I was getting were coming from my C BluesHarp - a quality instrument in my opinion :)
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barbequebob
1059 posts
Jul 31, 2010
10:37 AM
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If you're getting slashed tongues when doing those warbles, it sounds like someone new to tongu blocking who's committing the classic cardinal sin of a newbie to the technique, and that's forcing the tongue on the instrument FAR too hard and the right way to do it is pressing the tongue VERY lightly and when one does it light, this should NEVER happen at all. Pressing too hard is bad playing technique.
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barbequebob
1060 posts
Jul 31, 2010
10:39 AM
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If you're getting slashed tongues when doing those warbles, it sounds like someone new to tongu blocking who's committing the classic cardinal sin of a newbie to the technique, and that's forcing the tongue on the instrument FAR too hard and the right way to do it is pressing the tongue VERY lightly and when one does it light, this should NEVER happen at all.
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Boston, MA
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tookatooka
1610 posts
Jul 31, 2010
10:46 AM
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@BBQ, yeah I am still a newbie but I thought I'd toughened my mouth up by now.
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barbequebob
1063 posts
Jul 31, 2010
10:48 AM
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Pressing the tongue really hard on the harmonica to learn TB'ing no matter what the comb material is made of is VER VERY VERY foolish and all you're doing with that is trying to force the issue and you're only making things needlessly more difficult for yourself than it has to be.
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tookatooka
1613 posts
Jul 31, 2010
10:56 AM
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@BBQ. Ok, Ok, Ok. You've really tanned my hide this time BBQ. Are you this hard on all your students?
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
I must not be VERY VERY VERY foolish with my tongue.
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joeleebush
40 posts
Jul 31, 2010
11:19 AM
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It won't take too much imagination to know where I'm coming from on this post.
There is another particular place where you can practice that tongue warble to your heart's content and the amount of pressure you apply there is just about the same as the amount needed on the harmonica. All you're really doing is building up the strength of the muscles that are used to move the tongue side to side. Then the speed will come automatically...as well as accuracy.
You should've learned that by the time you were 13 anyway, but we won't go there on this posting board.
Enjoy!!
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MP
740 posts
Jul 31, 2010
11:46 AM
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a girl once remarked to me that she always wonded what it would be like if a harp player..............
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DeakHarp
122 posts
Jul 31, 2010
11:57 AM
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I also have a tecnque that i do with my tongue pressed solid on the harp with my tongue wide and then warble by fatening my left side to block the left note .. then fatten the right side to block the right note ... it gives you a acurate note warble and sounds cool .... But again dont do this all night or you will have a Fat Tongue .. instead of Fat Tone ....LOL... I also Tongue Warble by curling my tongue up and use the bottom of my tongue and if you put the harp on a 45% angle it works cool. It is real neat sound . I masterd both tecnique's ..
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DeakHarp
123 posts
Jul 31, 2010
12:01 PM
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I am also avalible for lessons Via Cell Phone .. 217-218-2194 .. Fair Charge for lesson ...Via paypal
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tookatooka
1615 posts
Jul 31, 2010
12:02 PM
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Thanks Deak. I think I understand what you mean, I'll try experimenting. (When my tongue shrinks back to its normal size and colour.)
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DeakHarp
124 posts
Jul 31, 2010
12:08 PM
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Ha Ha Ha Ha ....Call me
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barbequebob
1065 posts
Jul 31, 2010
12:50 PM
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Actually, the title of this thread really should be warbling using a tongue block because Sonny Terry used a warble by moving his tongue slightly from side to side and nothing else, and that's closer to a true tongue warble and is a bit more difficult to master.
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Sincerely,
Barbeque Bob Maglinte
Boston, MA
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CD available at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bbmaglinte
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