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Review of the EDharmonica a new tuning by Seydel
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wheel
612 posts
Oct 04, 2018
1:24 PM

Hope you like it!
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
http://kolesnichenko-harmonica.com/
BronzeWailer
2070 posts
Oct 04, 2018
3:24 PM
Cool! I have been curious about these. Might have to try one out in person.
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robbert
480 posts
Oct 04, 2018
3:51 PM
Nice comprehensive review, with (as always) great playing samples! Thanks, Konstantin.
wheel
613 posts
Oct 05, 2018
11:34 AM
BronzeWailer, thank you! You must try it. IMO it's better in lower keys like A, G, LowF etc
robbert, thank you so much!

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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
http://kolesnichenko-harmonica.com/
Simon
7 posts
Oct 05, 2018
2:06 PM
Very much enjoyed the 6th position playing - really cool. Thanks for this.
wheel
614 posts
Oct 08, 2018
1:42 PM
Simon, thank you so much!
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
http://kolesnichenko-harmonica.com/
JInx
1403 posts
Oct 08, 2018
5:33 PM
The only other time I've heard 6th position was in an old songbook, tabbed out for Thill Is Gone.

Thanks for the review. I want to try one.
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Sloppy1
26 posts
Oct 09, 2018
4:11 PM
I am wondering,Is this really a new tuning from seydel? I ask because when I go on the ED harmonica website two of the harps are seydels and the cheap one says it is a easttop. It looks like ED harmonica is not part of seydel but just uses their harps.
wheel
615 posts
Oct 13, 2018
1:36 PM
JInx, you are welcome. I'm glad you've liked it.
Sloppy1, I think yes. I think ED harmonica is a concept and they are using Seydel and Eastop to produce their harmonicas.

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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
http://kolesnichenko-harmonica.com/
BeePee
127 posts
Oct 13, 2018
7:48 PM
Just for the record, there is nothing 'new' about the ED Harmonica tuning. It's simply the bottom end of Paddy Richter or Melody Maker repeated up the harp - except they start the scale on the A instead of the C.

The website says 'Patent Pending', but I'd be very surprised if a patent were ever granted. Not just because it's an existing tone layout repeated, but also because it's been publicly used and recorded with in the past.

Isacullah has mentioned it right here, with his own name I can't quite remember - Pentatonic Tuning? I think he's done videos with it also; can you remind us Isaac?

I've had a few harps in this tuning in my harp case for years, and got Richard Sleigh to make me a custom Marine Band version back in the early 90s. It's a very nice harp that I dubbed The Slayer, and still have :-)

I call the tuning Paddy Richter Extended, and recorded a couple of tracks using it in the XB40 on my 'New Chinese Harmonica' album of 2013. And, incidentally, those harps start the scale on the A note too, which sets a public precedent five years ago for that little variation... You can hear the x-reed version on the first track:



I'm not knocking the tuning at all - I wouldn't have used it myself if it weren't good! But to try and claim it as something new and even patent-worthy is not just misleading, but also legally and factually false.

Last Edited by BeePee on Oct 14, 2018 10:24 PM
Sloppy1
27 posts
Oct 15, 2018
3:46 AM
How come a regular C harp is 1st position CEG 2nd position DGB On the edharmonica key of C (am) 1st position is ACE and 2nd goes Bb Db Gb What makes the edharmonica key of C? I bought one,the easttop one and it sounds a lot lower then a regular C harp. They give playing examples of playing in different keys but I have not seen where they show how you play in the different keys. Maybe it is my relative newness overall to playing harp in general that I dont understand all this.
wheel
616 posts
Oct 15, 2018
12:25 PM
BeePee, Hi, Brendan. I'm not specialist in patent laws at all, so I can't really comment it. But I think they've made research before registering for patent. If they wrong, than patent bureau will decline their registration.

But for me the fact that you, Isaac and EDHarmonica discovered this tuning independently just prove for me that it's good. What is good enough for Brendan, is good for me.:)
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
http://kolesnichenko-harmonica.com/
wheel
617 posts
Oct 15, 2018
12:27 PM
Sloppy1, if I understand you correctly the answer for your question is. Draw pattern is BDG
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
http://kolesnichenko-harmonica.com/
BeePee
128 posts
Oct 15, 2018
10:37 PM
Hi Konstantin: I think your ED Harmonica friends' patent research cannot have been very thorough, because they obviously missed this one from 1988:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5166461

Whether you call it the ED tuning, Paddy Richter Extended or Pentatonic tuning, they are all covered by this generic patent, whose salient feature is:

"Harmonics are disclosed in which the pitches of the draw-reeds and blow-reeds are arranged such that, in each of at least seven successive cavities, the pitch of the blow-reed is equal to or lower than that of the draw-reed."

So it appears they have wasted their money applying for a patent...

Since you're reading this, perhaps you can help with some other points? The ED Harmonica project leaders have been very secretive about who they are; there is no mention of any names on their website. Most start-up companies are very proud to name their personnel, but not this one. Why is that, I wonder?

I discovered the company is based in the Ukraine. Since you are the best-known Ukranian harmonica player, one assumes you must know the background to this project, and be proud it is based in your country! I wonder if you could tell us if you are involved in the project yourself? For example, is it your playing on the demo tracks? If not, who? It's quite nice playing, I'm sure MBH readers would like to know the player's name.

Thanks Konstantin :-)

Last Edited by BeePee on Oct 16, 2018 12:43 AM
GamblersHand
688 posts
Oct 16, 2018
7:32 AM
It looks like an ideal tuning for a 2nd position player wanting to play minor keys in 5th - very similar breath patterns
wheel
619 posts
Oct 16, 2018
11:27 AM
BeePee, Hello, Brendan! Yes, they are my friends. That's why I recorded this bluesy demo for them. They have their own motives not to have any names on the site. But I must say that they are 100% honest people, that I trust and their main purpose is education and popularization harmonica in general That's why they discovered this tuning. Because it's easier to play any kind of music, not only blues, on it. And I must say they really discovered that independently and made a paid research for patents :)

GamblersHand, yes, I think you are right! :)
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Konstantin Kolesnichenko(Ukraine)
http://kolesnichenko-harmonica.com/
BeePee
129 posts
Oct 17, 2018
2:21 PM
Well, perhaps it would have been more honest to have said at the beginning that you were reviewing a friend's product as a favour for them, rather than pass it off as an independent review.

As for the somewhat strange EDHarmonica policy of anonymity for its personnel, in these days of the internet that is not easy to maintain. It simply had the effect of piquing my curiosity, so I did a search. If you put edharmonica company into Google you get this information on the first page, showing the website is registered in Kiev:

https://statuslite.com/domain/edharmonica.com

If you do a search for Kiev harmonica this site comes up, for a harmonica school:

https://harmonica.kiev.ua/

Various common features in the graphics with the ED Harmonica website suggest that they are related, and run by the same person: Igor Gurskiy. I guess he's also the player on the ED demo tracks? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Not sure why he'd want to hide his light under a bushel, as he's done a nice job of the whole project :-) But as a piece of friendly advice, Igor should not waste any more good money on patenting this tuning because of the precedents mentioned earlier.

Last Edited by BeePee on Oct 17, 2018 2:23 PM
KeithE
238 posts
Oct 18, 2018
10:17 PM
BeePee - I think that you're correct. Look at the edharmonica.com site page source as well and Igor's name shows up a bit:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GNksPmHkWg0J:edharmonica.com/jingle-bell-rock-harmonica-tablature/&hl=en&gl=us&strip=0&vwsrc=1

Anyways thanks for all of your comments. I was curious about both the utility of this tuning, and the seeming secrecy as well.
Sloppy1
28 posts
Oct 19, 2018
4:03 AM
I am still learning standard harp,but I bought the cheaper easttop ed harp and I like it. It has been fun learning to play it and the website being free is a great value. Lots of courses and song tabs ect. Looks like he-they-whoever put a lot of time into the whole project and I think it came out well.
ROBERT TEMPLE II
37 posts
Nov 14, 2018
1:20 PM
I recently received an Edharp, labeled "C", made by Easttop. First, it is absolutely the loudest harp I have ever played. Really nice, slippery blue coverplates, too. These are NOT painted covers, I guess the blue is electroplated in, whatever that means. Trust me, they glide easily. Yes, the EDharp is suitable for much blues and reggae though in order to be completely chromatic, as many prefer, one must be able to overbend to attain the Eb and Ab on this harp. Or, one could partially valve for blow bends. Actually, I think the whole draw reed plate could be valved which would allow one to not only draw bend on every hole 1-10 but ALSO blow bend holes 1-10. Just an idea, but I think it ought to be experimented with. I am interested to know what others think of this tuning. Cheers !!!
Sloppy1
29 posts
Nov 16, 2018
3:57 AM
Like I said in a earlier post,I am somewhere between a beginner and intermediate. I love this EDharp. I find when I am playing to jam tracks I find the EDharp much easier to me.It is much more intuitive. I record my practice and when I listen back my playing with the EDharp sounds much better. Music does not come very natural to me,I am only playing for my own fun,but this new harp is much more natural to me.


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