1847
4415 posts
Sep 03, 2017
8:34 AM
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are they now standard fare at blues concerts?....
i went to a blues festival yesterday, the main stage had 3 massive subs in front of the stage. the bass drum was the loudest instrument as was the bass guitar.
i like to hear guitar centric blues music, and they had a few really great guitar players, however you could not hear their rhythm work.
fortunately there was another stage in the back "in the shade" where most of the time was spent. the sound was much better "no sub woofers"
sub woofers may have there place.... a rave concert... for example...
but do we really need them with guitar shorty? or chris cain?
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dougharps
1551 posts
Sep 03, 2017
9:09 AM
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This is one of my chronic gripes. I have stopped attending many outdoor concerts due to the misuse of subwoofers. Many current sound techs from rock and rap backgrounds seem to believe that the audience needs to feel their innards resonate to kick and bass, even when it is not suited to the music genre. There seems to be the belief that, "If I have 100,000 watts to push subs, then I SHOULD use them ALL!!!"
Rick Estrin stopped a show in a local venue here about 10 years back and told the sound guy to turn off the subs, because "We don't need them for this kind of music!"
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Doug S.
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1847
4416 posts
Sep 03, 2017
9:43 AM
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at one point in the show a friend of mine was behind the desk, he is a really good drummer. he had a the kick drum pushing 100,00 watts like you allude to.
i can't fault him for that, hey that is what the subs are for. but for me,
i not sure i will be going back today, and i have pass to get in.
i am not sure but rumor has it rick estrin is playing down the street, trying to confirm that.
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1847
4421 posts
Sep 04, 2017
10:35 AM
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drop the bass
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Honkin On Bobo
1469 posts
Sep 05, 2017
10:19 AM
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Just one more example of the hip hopification of all things musical in the year 2017. And it most definitely sucks, big time.
My favorite line from the linked article:
"Usually this culture of bass boosting is at the cost of clarity in the rest of the spectrum.”
Ya think?
And my own favorite experience, hearing the rattling: Bzzzzzzz Bzz Bzz Bzzzzzzzz..Bzz Bzz Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz from the sub-woofers on wheels being driven down my street by its retarded inhabitants. I never had a greater urge in my entire life to reach for a sledge hammer and start swinging.
Last Edited by Honkin On Bobo on Sep 05, 2017 11:47 AM
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Tuckster
1649 posts
Sep 05, 2017
1:33 PM
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Oh ya. One of my pet peeves. It seems to have gotten worse. But don't blame the sub woofers. They can be an asset if used properly. An accurate set of SWs are usually powered separately from the mains so all those power sucking bass frequencies won't affect the power going to the main speakers.Less demand on the power amps should result in less distortion for the all important vocals. There are some Subs intentionally designed with this huge resonant peak at some frequency that makes you think there is a lot of bass. In reality,all you are hearing is a huge boost at say 80 hz and steep rolloff on the rest of the bass. Those are junk.
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The Iceman
3340 posts
Sep 05, 2017
2:54 PM
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Nothing wrong with subwoofers. Bring em' on, I say. However, the ultimate final sound is based on the philosophy of the guy running the sound for the front of the house...that's where the problems originate.
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The Iceman
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Andrew
1636 posts
Sep 05, 2017
4:47 PM
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I don't know where woofers end and subwoofers begin.
I go to a pub on Tuesdays where's there's often a rockabilly group with a delectable female upright bassist, and she uses a 400W Markbass amp. It's groovy.
She's groovy. I'm in love.
A lot of people go to gigs with earplugs in nowadays. My mate went to a couple recently - one was Primus. He could feel his trouser legs vibrating.
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nacoran
9599 posts
Sep 07, 2017
2:49 PM
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I was at a show about a month ago. The first performer did a knockout show with just her guitar and her voice. The next band, who I've heard at other venues, came up with a full band, including brass... after about 2 songs I'd retreated as far from the stage as I could possibly get, even with earplugs in, and it was still causing my ears physical pain. I had to decide whether I was getting too old or if the music really was too loud. I decided to leave, despite loving the band that was playing.
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Nate
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