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Ian
123 posts
Oct 22, 2015
3:08 PM
Hi all,
I've been asked to play with a local folk/country group at a friends wedding, primarily to cover amazing grace in an 'upbeat country style'.
Now.... Its an easy enough melody, in its standard version, but I was wondering if anyone has any experience in an uptempo version with a country twang?
They have said we will have one practice session beforehand in order to get it down, but thats it. I have been given no other pointers.
I'm much more comfortable in the blues scale, so it's a bit daunting.
Any input would be appreciated!

Last Edited by Ian on Oct 22, 2015 3:49 PM
Harp Study
145 posts
Oct 22, 2015
6:13 PM
One of my favorite versions is by Todd Parrott:




Terri McMillian's version is really great also:




There are many more. I'm sure Charley McCoy has done this song at some point as well.
Pistolcat
883 posts
Oct 23, 2015
2:47 AM
Well, uptempo is uptempo. I'd swing it some but that depends on the rest of the band.

Twelfth position gives a very "country" sound, imo. Starts on 4 blow and lays out like third position. No need to do that pesky double bend on hole three like in second.
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Philosofy
726 posts
Oct 23, 2015
5:04 AM
Mike Caldwell does a great country version here (not sure if its as up tempo as you want)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAe9Jtg4-mw
Pistolcat
884 posts
Oct 23, 2015
5:13 AM
Here's a nice version. Goes uptempo some ways in. Kind of technically hard, though ;).

http://youtu.be/oWTx4-RO6n0

This song won him the world championship in Trossingen.
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The Iceman
2740 posts
Oct 23, 2015
5:15 AM
Song melody lives in the pentatonic scale. Focus on this and try to forget the blues scale.

Second position will work great as long as you are comfortable with the inhale bends in hole number 3.

Old country style harmonica (Charlie McCoy) also drew much inspiration from within the pentatonic scale.
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Ian
124 posts
Oct 23, 2015
5:34 AM
Thanks for the pointers guys.

@pistolcat - Thanks for sharing that video, the uptempo section is on point, ill be taking notes.

I'm feeling that if I can prepare a version that isn't far off the style of something like Charlie McCoy does in the video below, but a little faster that may be what they are planning to do....
I can rattle the song off easily in a 'standard' format, now just need to give it some swing and speed with a a bit of McCoy twang! Can anyone with a better ear than me pinpoint the position and harp key etc for this video? Its a good place to start if i can try to initially duplicate (as best i can!) then make it my own....

Last Edited by Ian on Oct 23, 2015 5:47 AM
mr_so&so
950 posts
Oct 23, 2015
10:33 AM
Ian, good find. Charlie McCoy is playing in second position there. I can't tell the key by ear, but probably C or D harp, so G, or A song key? You will hear him doing a lot of 3-hole bending between 3 unbent and 3 full step bend (the major second). That's the country twang to my ear.
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Last Edited by mr_so&so on Oct 23, 2015 10:37 AM
Martin
906 posts
Oct 23, 2015
12:16 PM
Depending on how comfortable you are on the harmonica, I´d say that one way to give a little new life to this rather worn out song (but now it´s a request, so I´ll let that rest) would be to move it up three (3) steps in the 2n or 3d chorus. Say from G to Bb: from 2nd to 11th pos.
Not too hard, I think and one way to make it sound more ... professional.
crispyagain
91 posts
Oct 23, 2015
12:57 PM
My bad, I think McCoy is on a F in 2nd so the song is in C ?? Can someone confirm please ?
Pistolcat
888 posts
Oct 24, 2015
3:00 AM
Yep, F harp in second position. Key of C. Charlie is God but this version didn't do anything for me - compared with those other clips...
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crispyagain
92 posts
Oct 24, 2015
7:55 AM
No doubt. Parrott is a complete and total beast. Todd you rock brother !
1847
2840 posts
Oct 24, 2015
12:08 PM
was terry mcmillan playing the harp upside down and backwards?
A440
464 posts
Oct 24, 2015
4:12 PM
Todd has definitely cracked the code on this... an awesome rendition.
Ian
127 posts
Oct 24, 2015
4:49 PM
Todds tone is incredible isn't it? At times you could be easily excused for thinking it was a soprano sax playing, not the harp. Really nice.
The Iceman
2747 posts
Oct 25, 2015
6:50 AM
1847...yes in answer to your question.

Many don't realize that Terry was a master jazz percussionist as well as harmonica player.
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The Iceman
1847
2841 posts
Oct 25, 2015
8:45 AM
So everyone read iceman’s earlier post, I am willing to bet that it was glossed over by just about everyone as well. If it was glossed over because
You understand what he said, that’s ok. It was not directed at you.
If what he said mystifies you,
Re-read his response,ask questions.
This is one of the most important lesson you can learn, it will take your playing to an another level.
1847
2952 posts
Dec 06, 2015
3:45 PM
super bee asked me a question re: my approach to a recent song i did.


it was touched upon here in this thread, where it swiftly died.

there are places where the blues scale just flat out, does not work.

check out what iceman has to say about it here...

Song melody lives in the pentatonic scale. Focus on this and try to forget the blues scale.

he could probably explain it better than i can.
shakeylee
450 posts
Dec 06, 2015
5:26 PM
while not upbeat, no discussion of harmonica and amazing grace is complete without a suggestion to listen to buddy green.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcpYKvi-tIQ

then of course there's Harmonica masters Phil Duncan, Charlie McCoy, Buddy Greene, Steve Baker, Jimmy Lee and Todd Parrott all on one stage performing Amazing Grace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ityBhBX136s

but yeah,todd parrot is the man :)
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WinslowYerxa
988 posts
Dec 06, 2015
8:00 PM
I'd just play the melody straight and let the rhythm section craete the impression of country style.

by the way, this melody also works fine in 12th position (which is how it's usually played on bagpipes).
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JustFuya
820 posts
Dec 06, 2015
9:12 PM
Simple does it here by Michael Spray:

1847
2956 posts
Dec 07, 2015
7:36 PM
ok. winslow break it out....

i often times try to sound like an accordion..
but bagpipes?

i would very much enjoy hearing that. i have never ventured much past the first 5 positions. so 12 th has got to be the next frontier.
nacoran
8807 posts
Dec 07, 2015
9:57 PM
It occurs to me (even before reading Winslow's comment) that when I'm playing Amazing Grace (or listening to it) that I take a lot of liberties with the rhythm. I can make it sound jazzy by doing some slides and staccato single notes, or make it sound buggle like like Tapps by not sliding but still hitting things staccato. Country versions seem to be a-maaaaaaaaaa-zing graAaAaAaAaAace how sweeeet the sooound that saAaAved a wreeeeetch like meeeeee

(Like a bugle might be more a-mA-ziing grace, how sweet theah sound that sa ayved a wretch like me, I once, wa as lost, but now I'm found, was blind bu ut now I see)

(sorry for the improvised rhythmic notation. It was the only thing I could think of without downloading software since it's too late to record).

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