mastercaster
93 posts
Nov 25, 2014
5:02 PM
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@ 2:30 SB1 .. does a flutter that is just too cool .. anyone heard this before or used this technique ?
I have a good idea? of what he's doing .. man .. what a flutter , what phrasing/timing to put that where he did !
Last Edited by mastercaster on Nov 25, 2014 5:15 PM
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KingoBad
1564 posts
Nov 25, 2014
5:14 PM
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He is just trilling his tongue... Like when you make machine gun noises.
Big Walter did it a lot too...
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Bilzharp
42 posts
Nov 25, 2014
5:25 PM
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Sounds like a blow flutter more or less on holes 6,7&8 of a C harp. Make a H-r-r-r-r-r-r-r sound with your tongue bouncing off the roof of your mouth just behind your teeth.
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Thievin' Heathen
432 posts
Nov 25, 2014
5:39 PM
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But you can only use those once a night or it loses the mystique. Kind of like pushing the button halfway on a chromatic.
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WinslowYerxa
729 posts
Nov 25, 2014
8:29 PM
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Yeah, he's blowing a raspberry on Blow 6 and 7.
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jbone
1810 posts
Nov 26, 2014
3:58 AM
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In the pic during the video from about the 1 minute mark to just past 2 minutes, he appears to be holding 2 harps.
Could he have used 2 harps here, like 1st and 2nd position?
That really is a remarkable flutter.
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kudzurunner
5156 posts
Nov 26, 2014
4:00 AM
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You've already gotten your answer above. Bilzeharp's description is more or less what I would have said. The Hrrrrrr sound is kind of a purring sound, a staccato tongue-chatter, made on the roof of the mouth. SBW opens his lips, perhaps foreshortens his mouth, anything to make the sound as percussive and high-pitched (at least in contrast to the notes leading up to it) as he can.
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mastercaster
94 posts
Nov 26, 2014
6:20 AM
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being able to 'roll' r's while talking is one thing ... same technique as the 'purring' or 'Hrrr' sounds Blizharp & Adam refer to .. I get that and can do it ..
doing that while playing & getting that high level of attack .. 'percussion' staccato.. resonance .. entirely different story ..
It sounds very cool and fit's perfectly in the arrangement of the tune ...
Last Edited by mastercaster on Nov 26, 2014 8:29 AM
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WinslowYerxa
730 posts
Nov 26, 2014
9:40 AM
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On the track above, SBWI plays a C-harp for the entire song.
Being photographed with two harps was also done with Little Walter and another lesser-known player (whose name escapes me) in the early 1950s. It's just a device to add visual interest, on a par with photographing a player with the biggest harmonica he owns. It generally has no relation to actual playing practice.
While Little Walter sometimes switched between chromatic and diatonic on records, I'm not aware of any instances of him switching diatonics in the same song. Same goes for SBWI.
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barbequebob
2772 posts
Nov 29, 2014
8:30 AM
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LW switched harps oh Muddy Waters' classic Walking Thru The Park, where the band is in B and the intro and solo verses are played on an A harp in 3rd and the rest of the tune is a B harp in 2nd.
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mlefree
231 posts
Nov 29, 2014
9:12 AM
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Tom Ball uses that technique to full advantage. He can also do it on draw notes. That is a real toughy!
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CarlA
636 posts
Nov 29, 2014
10:25 AM
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@michelle
I think Tom may be using the "growl" technique in those draw notes, and employing his soft-plate rather than tongue.
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Thievin' Heathen
438 posts
Nov 29, 2014
12:04 PM
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Raspberry was the best description I saw above. That, and practice, will get you their.
I thought it would just come off as a parlor trick if I could not produce it on inhale as well and found out a snore works pretty good. In takes a little practice to squelch the snoreback but it is not anywhere near as difficult as a Sonny Terry lick. In my repertoire, it's still a parlor trick.
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KingoBad
1566 posts
Nov 30, 2014
4:34 PM
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Sure, let's see you do a raspberry inside your mouth...
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Last Edited by KingoBad on Nov 30, 2014 4:34 PM
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mastercaster
100 posts
Dec 01, 2014
4:08 AM
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Ok ... I'll bite .. what's a raspberry ? If it comes from the throat .. no way that's what SBW is doing ..
Tom Ball well may use that technique .. these days .. he certianlly would be a player who could get that delivery / attack ..
I watched him play countless times back in the 'old days', 70-80's (S.B,Ca.)
.. just don't remember that he used it then ...
Sometimes I can't help but wonder if we all hear the same ........
Last Edited by mastercaster on Dec 01, 2014 4:13 AM
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KingoBad
1567 posts
Dec 01, 2014
7:23 AM
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…and it ain't what you are talking about...
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Last Edited by KingoBad on Dec 01, 2014 7:25 AM
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WinslowYerxa
733 posts
Dec 01, 2014
11:20 AM
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OK, I should clarify on the raspberry thing, as I misused the term.
The video shows a raspberry blown by flapping the lips, and actually, that's the correct use of the term but not how you do it on the harmonica, as the lips are busy sealing airflow to the harmonica.
What I actually meant was a similar fluttering of the tip of the tongue against the roof of the mouth. This is what woodwind players (flute, sax, clarinet) do when they flutter tongue. It produces a growling raspy sound somewhat similar to the lip-blown raspberry. When Larry Adler did this on the chromatic he called it growling, as he often coupled it with hand cupping to produce a growly-sounding vowel.
Yo do it by pointing the tip of your tongue toward the roof of the mouth somewhere close to the the backs of the front teeth. You hold the tip close to but not touching the roof (at least that's how it works best for me, ymmv), and then blow air through the resulting opening.
If you do it right, the air motion sets the tip of your tongue fluttering up and down so that it bounces off the roof of your mouth at a regular repeated rate. You don't consciously move your tongue, you just set up the condition and it flutters on its own.
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Last Edited by WinslowYerxa on Dec 01, 2014 11:21 AM
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KingoBad
1568 posts
Dec 01, 2014
12:49 PM
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Ok, so nobody makes machine gun noises like I do?
If you want a more aggressive attack, think trrrrr instead of hrrrr.
And yes, I played the flute..
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WinslowYerxa
735 posts
Dec 01, 2014
1:31 PM
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HI, Danny -
That's a nice and useful variant. Thanks for sharing it.
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mlefree
232 posts
Dec 03, 2014
12:03 PM
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Yeah, I didn't really mean that Tom Ball can do an inhale tongue roll but that he can mimic the sound using the soft palate growling technique. Sounds the same to me when he does that.
It's on one of the Tom Ball/Kenny Sultan Cds in my collection. Never heard him live, so I am totally jealous!
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Last Edited by mlefree on Dec 03, 2014 12:05 PM
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CarlA
637 posts
Dec 03, 2014
1:28 PM
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That poor soft-palate. It is always lurking in the shadow of its big brother tongue.
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STME58
1156 posts
Dec 04, 2014
8:43 PM
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I was trying to find a way to do a flutter tongue in inhale but had not though of using the soft palate, I'll have to work on that!
Anyone have any ideas on how to sing through the harp(ala Wade Schumann) on a draw note? :-)
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bonedog569
930 posts
Dec 08, 2014
9:34 PM
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'I don't need no steam heat by my bed, the little girl I got keeps me cherry red. '
now that's a blues line
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