Frank
4889 posts
Jul 23, 2014
1:36 PM
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Sources - I don't need no stinking sources :)
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jnorem
427 posts
Jul 23, 2014
2:38 PM
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I see. Then your numbers are nothing more than a useless load of bollocks, aren't they? :)
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Last Edited by jnorem on Jul 23, 2014 2:41 PM
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Frank
4894 posts
Jul 23, 2014
2:46 PM
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Or precious piles of priceless jewels, right?
Lyrics added to appease to spam gods :)
If you got a weak brain and a narrow mind
The world gonna leave you way behind
Your friends will deceive you, leave you cryin'
Can't keep yours 'cause you are watchin' mine
If you got a strong brain and your mind is broad
You gonna have more friends than a train can hold
You won't have no trouble or worries at all
If you got a strong brain and your mind is broad
You know the strong overpower the weak
And the smart overpower the strong
The clever are the only ones enjoyin' the world
While the greedy save all and enjoy none
If you got a strong brain and your mind is smart
Nothin' in the world is gonna be too hard
We gonna keep on goin' before others start
If you got a strong brain and your mind is smart
If you got a strong brain and your mind is smart
If you got a strong brain and your mind is smart
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KingoBad
1504 posts
Jul 23, 2014
3:13 PM
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I knew several "dancers" that made in excess of 100k.
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Frank
4897 posts
Jul 23, 2014
3:29 PM
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Were their names Bubbles and Ms.Do-me?
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STME58
999 posts
Jul 23, 2014
9:45 PM
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J, you may be accurate but a little harsh. According to Todd Snider, 60% of all statistics are made up on the spot! I know, I know, just because everyone is doing it doesn't make it right.
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STME58
1000 posts
Jul 23, 2014
10:12 PM
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Top 10 highest paid musicians of 2013 Washington Post. I did not see a harp player on this list. I understand from someone in the music industry that Taylor Swift understands the business and manages her career quite well. I expect that is actually more important than talent when is comes to making money. I also think that the people on this list are entertainers who happen us music as their medium. That is not to say they are not good musicians (you can say that if you want;-)) just that skill in entertaining and a minimum level of talent are required. Virtuosity is icing on the cake but is not that valuable by itself.
Just for comparison . Highest Paid CEOs
The 10th highest paid musician/entertainer would come in second among the CEOs.
Franks numbers are not too far off Berklee's
Median wage for musicians and singers according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics is $23.50
Dancers make $19.53
Last Edited by STME58 on Jul 23, 2014 10:38 PM
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eharp
2193 posts
Jul 24, 2014
5:00 AM
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Who types these headers for you?
Does the Caps Lock stick?
Why do you then feel a need to throw in some symbols?
Do you talk this way?
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Frank
4905 posts
Jul 24, 2014
8:12 AM
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1,,,No - "what" does for me?
2////No > they don't does, but sometimes they do?
3..... @*&$!%)*@(* hope that helps answer your ???? :)
4;;;;;;YeS & nO?
Last Edited by Frank on Jul 24, 2014 8:16 AM
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KingoBad
1505 posts
Jul 24, 2014
9:26 AM
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Frank, those were not their names, but you have the right idea...
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eharp
2194 posts
Jul 24, 2014
3:57 PM
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Well p/ayed% FraNk>:-)
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Frank
4908 posts
Jul 24, 2014
4:05 PM
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See that, you too are an Ar-tist ;)
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BronzeWailer
1356 posts
Jul 24, 2014
4:38 PM
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I have <<>> about this a bit in recent years.
Do CEOs, lawyers and doctors wait tables as their day job?
"Glamour" industries (acting, music) pay next to nothing because people WANT to be involved for one of two reasons in my opinion. They have their eye on the big prize(s) [stardom/women/money etc.,] or it's just fun.
I am in the latter category. No aspirations of being a pro, and too late in any case, even if I had the talent.
Still, I would rather be out there playing than {just about} anything else, and I enjoy the gigging crumbs that come my way.
Busking is amazing because it's paid practice, although the pay is very bad most of the time.
Jamming is paying to practice (drink and fuel money).
WARNING: slight S/I/D/E/T/R/A/C/K ahead.
Would CEOs go to the street and start offering to [restructure] people for free? NO!
Do people dance to annual reports? No!
I was /SURPRISED/ to fInd I could get lessons from a top harp player in Oz. Why would someone like HIM deal with a pleb like me? Then I realized the bucks from performing, music sales etc., aren't there.
To summarize, the SUPPLY of musicians is large, and DEMAND lower than it should be, so the PRICE adjusts (downward)
Enough BLATHER from me.
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nacoran
7877 posts
Jul 24, 2014
5:55 PM
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BronzeWailer, obviously, the solution is something like they are doing in the movie, "The Purge". For 12 hours every year it needs to be legal to bump off the competition. In a couple years we should lower supply enough to create a shortage. Step 3- Profit! :)
I think you hit the nail on the head. Music is so fun there is no way to push us amateurs out of the way, and we drive down the demand for the guys trying to do it for a living. I'd expand on that to point out that actors (at least film actors) do manage to have a pretty strong union, but I think that's largely because historically there was a limited number of studios so the unions, with the help of the top talent, could punish them for not paying scale. Yeah, you could do dinner theater somewhere but you had to pay union dues if you wanted to work in union shops.
The same forces that undermined the record companies and has allowed people to record their own stuff is doing the same thing to film, with it being easier and easier to do indie stuff, which is good in the sense that it is easier to 'get work' but bad in that it probably means you'll get paid less.
Unless some big name acts are willing to go all philanthropic and donate their money to starving artists in exchange for the starving artists agreeing to only work good paying gigs, it's not likely to change (essentially form a guild system).
But, at least it's cheaper to record yourself. It may be a bad time to be a pro, but it's a great time to be someone who is in it just for the fun.
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jnorem
440 posts
Jul 24, 2014
6:11 PM
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Thinking about it, I'm going to guess that the highest paid harmonica player in the music business is probably Huey Lewis.
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eharp
2195 posts
Jul 24, 2014
6:24 PM
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J - I'll bet on Stevie Wonder, Mick Jagger or Bob Dylan.
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STME58
1004 posts
Jul 24, 2014
9:42 PM
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"Would CEOs go to the street and start offering to [restructure] people for free?"
They may not do that but I'll bet there are one or two CEO's who have done some busking. Come to think of is I know of one, but he owns an instrument manufacturing company so perhaps that doesn't count. :-)
I wonder if the number of CEO's who play an instrument with a reasonable level of proficiency is higher or lower than the general population.
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JustFuya
352 posts
Jul 24, 2014
10:08 PM
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What do you think of Clinton's sax. I think he could have been a contender if he focused otherwise.
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jnorem
443 posts
Jul 24, 2014
10:16 PM
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Stevie Wonder, of course.
To call Mick Jagger and Bob Dylan harmonica players…that's just wrong. To my way of thinking is is, anyway.
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STME58
1005 posts
Jul 24, 2014
10:34 PM
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JustFuya, Clinton is an example of someone who rose to prominence who had some musical training. I found that several other Presidents played instruments. I had heard that Lincoln played harmonica, and he did make a famous coment about one. I was surprised to learn he did play violin. Nixon played a piano piece he composed on television on the Jack Parr show.
A bit of searching turned up this;"Researchers studied a group of Michigan State Honors College graduates from 1990 to 1995 with science, technology, engineering or math majors and found 93% had taken piano, guitar or other music lessons—about three times the average rate of all adults."
A manager of chemists where I work once commented to me that his best chemists were musicians.
So turning Franks original comment around a bit, musical training may be an important element to success, as long as you choose a vocation other than music.
Last Edited by STME58 on Jul 24, 2014 10:35 PM
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eharp
2197 posts
Jul 25, 2014
4:50 AM
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I would never say Huey is a harp player.
He heads a band that had some commercial success 30 years ago and he plays some harp on some of the songs.
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The Iceman
1857 posts
Jul 25, 2014
7:21 AM
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Huey is a little like Curtis Salgado.
Both can play outstanding harmonica when they want to, but didn't want to be known as harp players primarily.
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JustFuya
353 posts
Jul 25, 2014
1:29 PM
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Getting back to the original topic:
In a recent thread I mentioned a local blues band (Code Blues) that recently played two shows at the county fair on a free stage. The band is made up of 4 excellent musicians. The lead guitar and the harp player supply solid vocals and each can stand on their own.
I visited their web site on reverbnation.com and discovered they charge $300 for a 2 hour set at small venues. Jeez!
A popular local bar pays an average of $375 a night (3 sets-20 minute breaks). That's the world I live in. The fee covers the bar tab and we get to have some fun on stage. It's worth it but the day job is essential.
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jbone
1701 posts
Jul 25, 2014
7:26 PM
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Dare I even mention the name? John Popper.
I wore out on him long ago but he did have a pretty hefty niche market and maybe still does. I think he made enough to be comfortable at any rate, and he took harmonica a different direction than just another blues guy, he moved into psychedelic ballad territory and made a name.
At least half the time my compensation is just in sharing music with folks. Say at a farmers market or street corner. We do get a paid gig here and there and lately we've been setting that money aside to finance the next recording project. Material is mostly written and we've worked out a lot of the arrangements already, this time we're going to use a rhythm section and some guests as well probably.
First phase though is get the stuff recorded and sent to Library of Congress and possibly join BMI.
Generally speaking we do not come close to break even. The monies we make playing and selling cds offset our investment. Other hand, I have never made a dime off of fishing and there is no telling how much I've spent in 55 years on bait and tackle. I have had some incredible times though, just like with music.
To me, the profit has to be at least partly in the eye and ear and heart of the beholder.
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