snowman
17 posts
Feb 12, 2014
9:13 AM
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hi for harp [if using a feed back suppressor where in pedal chain should it go thanks?---also gonna start using compression pedal and or maybe distortion pedal whats the best order for those for harp? thanks
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Greg Heumann
2604 posts
Feb 12, 2014
11:35 AM
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Because it is the sum of your mic signal and all your effects that determines whether the amp feeds back, I would think last in the chain would make the most sense.
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capnj
188 posts
Feb 12, 2014
8:51 PM
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I know people get confused,over the first or last in the chain,and I have been one of them.I heard one explanation from an expert,that first in the chain was closet to the amp,and an another cat explains it,where you plug your mic into is first.I was told to plug my mic into the squeal killer,then to your succession of pedals.Hell it works but maybe there is a better way,in any event,clarification can be comforting.Some Pedal board guitarist's have 8/10 of them,and only use 2,but sure enough leave some on all the time.Some have found a new way,but usually is a well beaten path.
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Slimharp
195 posts
Feb 13, 2014
7:07 AM
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Snowman, I was told by Jon Kinder ( Kinder Anti-Feedback + ) and Jason Lockwood ( Squeal Killer ) that the anti feedback device goes first in the chain I.E. Mic - anti feedack - other pedals - amp.
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HarpNinja
3764 posts
Feb 13, 2014
7:13 AM
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I've seen the Kinder, Squeal Killer, and Harp Shield all be described as going first in the chain.
I've only used the Kinder, and I ran that first.
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Slimharp
198 posts
Feb 13, 2014
7:28 AM
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Ninja, what was your impression of the Harp Shield ?
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Rick Davis
2958 posts
Feb 13, 2014
7:34 AM
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I used the Kinder pedal first in the chain, with my Bassman. My understanding is that was recommended by John Kinder.
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HarpNinja
3765 posts
Feb 13, 2014
8:04 AM
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I've only used the Kinder.
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bluemoose
940 posts
Feb 13, 2014
2:30 PM
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Got this off a guitar site but I think the concepts are similar. Anti-feedback seems to fit under 1 and/or 2.
1st Germanium Fuzz Had to start off with this as germanium fuzz pedals are so incredibly sensitive to what goes into them. So if you have a germanium transistor Fuzz Face or Tone Bender type fuzz pedal, start off with it right at the front of your chain. It may not end up here, but hear it first with just your guitar going straght in.
2nd Envelope Filter and Tone Shaping Effects.
These include Auto Wahs and Wah pedals. These effects rely on the dynamics of your guitar tone and should be the first thing you signal sees.
3rd Phasers/Vibes/Flangers This might sound a bit unusual, but try it. Phasers work so great going into gain stages such as OD's or preamps. Flangers can work great at the end of the chain but for that Van Halen type flanger tone, it needs to go right at the front before the OD's
4th Compression Compression can work well with a variety of different pedals, so best to have it close to the front.
5th Overdrives, Distortions and Fuzz's
And in that order. If you go from the least amount of drive to the greatest amount of drive you can get some pretty cool combinations. A low gain pedal can be a great solo boost into a higher gain pedal, but the other way around can often spell disaster. There is one major exception to this rule - Germanium Transistor boosters such as Fuzz Faces, Octavias and treble boosters. The nature of the design of these effects means that they don't like to see the buffer from another pedal at the input. They prefer to see the guitar pickup. So if you have one of these type of pedals, best to stick it at the front before any buffers.
6th Modulation Effects
These include chorus and tremolos. It can also include flangers, but I personally prefer them right at the front with phasers. The specific order of the modulation effects is probably the least important as you rarely use more than one at a time and if you do is more a sound effect than a toneful combination.
7th Delay effects
A good rule of thumb here if you use multiple delay effects is to put your short delay before your long delay. Adding a nice drawn out delay on top of a slap back effect can sound quite cool.
8th and finally Reverb
Technically speaking, reverb is actually a delay effect. Very short delays combined to give the effect of being in an enclosed space. Think about what happens when you shout in a hall. That's the delayed sound of your voice bouncing of the walls. Leaving this effect till last works well with many different combinations including clean and dirty sounds.
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snowman
18 posts
Feb 13, 2014
8:32 PM
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thanks very much all of u==was putting last try a few times at front--and thanks blumoose i play guitar as well --that list helps thanks all of u
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