timeistight
1492 posts
Feb 10, 2014
3:37 PM
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I found this interesting-looking three-harmonica arrangement of "Pancho and Lefty" on a Brazilian website, but I can't figure out the tab system it uses:
Tipo de gaita: Qualquer tipo
Tom: qualquer
PANCHO and LEFTY - by WILLIE NELSON,
WAYLON JENNINGS, MERLE HAGGARD, TOWNES VAN ZANDT.
Most Recommended for advanced harmonica players.
Where I have (SWITCH) is where you quickly change
harps. It goes from A to G, then to D (for one
note), and then back to A.
INTRO:
A-Harp:
(-9 -6) (6 8) (-8 -5) (6 8) (-8 -5) (-7 -4) (5 7)
(7 5) (-7*-4) (-2 -6) (-7*-4) (-2 -6)
*(45) *(-5-6) 6 -5
SOLO:
-4 5 -5 6 -6 -7b 7 -8 8 -9 9 -10 -10# 10
* -8 8 -9 8 -8 *
(-5 -6)(-5 -6)(-5 -6) (-5 -6)(-5 -6)(-5 -6)
(56) (-4 -5)
G-Harp
(45)(45)(45) (45)(45)(45) (SWITCH 1)
D-Harp
(89) (78) (-7 -8) (-7 8) (-7 -8) (SWITCH 2)
A-Harp)
(-4 -5) (SWITCH 3)
-10 -9 9 8 -9 -8 8 7 -8 -7b 7 -6 -7b
6 -6 -5 6 5 -5 -4 -4 -4 -4 5 (-5)
Note: If preferred,
a switch back to the D, playing a full D-chord
also sounds well for the ending.
Anyone familiar with this kind of harp tab?
Last Edited by timeistight on Feb 10, 2014 3:39 PM
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1847
1500 posts
Feb 10, 2014
6:10 PM
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i'll take a stab at it
it looks like a _ is a draw note
so the first notes in parenthesis are tongue block draw notes
the blow notes are simply notated
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
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1847
1501 posts
Feb 10, 2014
6:29 PM
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i dont here a harmonica on this version
a g harp works well towards the end
what is a 10# lol
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
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1847
1502 posts
Feb 10, 2014
6:47 PM
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cool story
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
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timeistight
1493 posts
Feb 10, 2014
8:04 PM
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Maybe I should be more specific.
How would you play this?
(-7*-4)
And this?
*(45)
And this?
*(-5-6)
And this?
(-7*-4)
And this?
*(45)
And this?
*(-5-6)
And this?
-10#
And this?
* -8 8 -9 8 -8 *
And this?
-7b 7 -6 -7b
And this?
*(45) *(-5-6) 6 -5
And this?
(-5)
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Leatherlips
228 posts
Feb 10, 2014
9:30 PM
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Maybe draw 7 and 4 (tongue block, blow 4+5, draw 5+6, 10#???, draw 8 blow 8 draw 9 blow 8 draw 8, and no idea.
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STME58
643 posts
Feb 10, 2014
11:23 PM
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Excerpt from Winslow Yerxa's book
This explanation seems to fir the use of the asterisk. Asterisks are also used in chromatic notation to indicate "push the slide in" but I think a tounge lift fits thee tab and the song here. -7b and -10# have me baffled. If - means blow perhaps b and # are blow bends, but why two different notations.
This look interesting but my skills are not up to solving it quickly. To start with I need to liten to the song enough to know it.
Winslow's book looks interesting though, I may pick it up the next time I am in Barnes and Nobel. Even if someone who actually knows what this means explains it here.
Last Edited by STME58 on Feb 10, 2014 11:24 PM
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timeistight
1494 posts
Feb 11, 2014
10:33 AM
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Asterisks as tongue lifts, slaps or pulls seems like a likely explanation.
I'm inclined to read "b" and "#" as flat and sharp, respectively, although I can't figure what that would mean in the context of tablature.
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1847
1503 posts
Feb 11, 2014
11:45 AM
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so what version is this from?
is a solo piece?
i think i saw one version with a harmonica playing in the background, didnt seem to complicated
in this version it appears mickey raphael
is playing accordion.
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
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STME58
644 posts
Feb 11, 2014
11:46 AM
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Seeing no one has chimed in who is familiar with this notation. I can work on it like a crossword puzzle for a while. It look like an interesting song to learn and I have been wanting to incorporate more double stops into my playing.
I tried this interpreting the - as both blow and draw and the cord progressions are interesting either way. The tab say what harp to use but not what key the song is in , so no clue there. b is sometimes used to mean bend but you can't bend draw 7 so -7b doesn't mean a draw bend ,could mean 7 overdraw or 7 blow bend(if - means blow). if it is a 7 blow bend b works as bend or flat.
Does -10# mean 10 overdraw? if so - means draw. I don't know the song well enough yet to even figure out whether "-" is blow or draw. What do you think
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1847
1504 posts
Feb 11, 2014
11:58 AM
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the song is in D major
i havent figured out all the chords
i would think D G A maybe a B minor and a F# minor
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
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timeistight
1495 posts
Feb 11, 2014
12:58 PM
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The chords are D, G, A and B minor.
I'm not trying to figure out the melody, which lays out easily in first position; I'm trying to figure out this particular arrangement.
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1847
1505 posts
Feb 11, 2014
1:05 PM
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if we can figure out which recording he used
perhaps we can break the code
any idea?
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
Last Edited by 1847 on Feb 11, 2014 1:09 PM
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timeistight
1496 posts
Feb 11, 2014
1:10 PM
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Here's the late Townes Van Zandt playing his song:
I'd guess the tab is based on the hit version by Willie and Merle since that's the one mentioned in the introduction. Emmylou Harris, Hoyt Axton, Steve Earle and even Bob Dylan have done versions.
Last Edited by timeistight on Feb 11, 2014 1:52 PM
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STME58
645 posts
Feb 11, 2014
1:33 PM
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Sunday at my son's symphony rehearsal, one of the trombonists was wearing a shirt with several unsuccessful attempts to spell cryptographer written and crossed out followed by "I break codes". I did not get the connection to music until now!
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tmf714
2405 posts
Feb 11, 2014
2:08 PM
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Here a link to the guitar tab-
Part 1
http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/w/willie_nelson/pancho_and_lefty_crd.htm
Part 2-
http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/t/townes_van_zandt/pancho_and_lefty_ver2_crd.htm
Last Edited by tmf714 on Feb 11, 2014 2:13 PM
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tmf714
2406 posts
Feb 11, 2014
2:13 PM
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Shaganappi
88 posts
Feb 14, 2014
8:40 AM
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So why (6 8) and then (-8 -5) - reversed numbers? If normal octave blocks, it would be (-5 -8). It suggests actually playing of each note either by tongue switching or maybe even sliding to each hole. The -7* an overdraw or a 7 blow bend? Not likely. Unusual notation either way. 10# is what? Suggests chromatic but no… And with the * outside brackets could be a percussive effect (cough, etc.) but seems not. Winslow's * notation may be relevant but how? I suspect that the notation would somehow show some rhythm. Then with the (45) with no space? Likely a 45 chord? Are the spaces needed - do they represent something?This is the most foreign tab I have ever seen. Would love to see it solved. Where is a Brazilian harp player when you need one?
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BigBlindRay
211 posts
Feb 14, 2014
4:50 PM
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Hi MBHers
Best to consult the sheet music on this
http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtdFPE.asp?ppn=MN0077648&ref=google
The Song is in D Major. You don't need to switch Harps at all. Use a D Major Harp in 1st position will do the trick.
I always find when learning new songs, purchase the sheet music, Study the form, and if need be, write tab from that. As far as what all those tab symbols mean. IMO - is a total waste of time all that time spent investing in working out TAB. You can actually learn the language and be self reliant AND actually work out songs tremendously faster.
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Shaganappi
90 posts
Feb 16, 2014
8:52 PM
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Ray, Ray, Ray !! Are you blind? Don’t take away the pleasure of solving a problem!!! It's not whether it is useful. It's about the joy of a crossword, cryptogram, etc. This is a really good one. Timeistight has really got a interesting one here. Relive your childhood and get into the puzzle mode Ray ;)
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timeistight
1498 posts
Feb 17, 2014
8:01 AM
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Hey, Ray.
I don't normally read tab at all but when I came across this, I was curious about this particular arrangement. It isn't that I need help with the melody of Pancho and Lefty, which, as I wrote above, lays out nicely in first position.
I agree with you that tab isn't usually worth the trouble, but I was interested that someone would use three harps to play this tune and I wanted to hear how that sounded.
Last Edited by timeistight on Feb 17, 2014 8:03 AM
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Shaganappi
91 posts
Feb 17, 2014
8:12 PM
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Even thinking -7 may mean blow although that just seems silly per what is normal. The space between (-7 -8) would rule tongue blocking but may just be sloppy tabbing.
I have come across -7b in older harp books that seems to indicate that the transcriber THINKS that 7 draw can be flatted or more likely, an diff tone set is assumed.
I think there is a different kind of harp here. It does not say diatonic that I see.
http://www.cifraclub.com.br/willie-nelson-waylon-jennings-merle-haggard-townes-van-zandt/pancho-and-lefty-3-harps/tabs-gaita/
And Ray, hope no offense taken per my remarks. Just joshing you a bit. In fact, I agree with most all you said. But I look at the puzzle with little care as to the music in this case. Making head scratch. Hope someone can figure. Starting to lose sleep on it haha ;)
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