Taza
2 posts
Feb 03, 2014
6:23 PM
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Hey all- I'm new to the forum and am not sure if this is the place to post beginner questions, so please redirect me if not.
I've been trying to nail down this wailing/falling bend but I can't seem to get it right, and am having trouble researching how cause I don't know what to call it. Jim Fitting uses it a lot in Session Americana- here's an example at 0:44:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYh7rTg5Bn4
Am I right that it's a 3draw 1/2 step bend, letting the note unbend, and then dropping down to a whole step bend before moving to the 2 draw?
Thanks!
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Jehosaphat
679 posts
Feb 03, 2014
7:50 PM
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Gkastraveckas
18 posts
Feb 03, 2014
8:04 PM
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There's a beginner forum, you HAVE to post there, just do forum search for beginners only and youwill find it.
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Taza
3 posts
Feb 03, 2014
8:12 PM
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hey thanks, I'll repost ASAP.
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WinslowYerxa
494 posts
Feb 03, 2014
9:29 PM
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Actually, Taza, you DON'T HAVE to post it in any specific place. That thread is for beginners only, and beginners may not be able to explain it. Experts are forbidden to weigh in on that forum.
Unless you're the site administrator, Gkastraveckas, you have no business telling others what they HAVE to do.
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Winslow
Last Edited by WinslowYerxa on Feb 03, 2014 9:31 PM
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didjcripey
691 posts
Feb 03, 2014
9:39 PM
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Hey Taza, welcome to the forum.
I hear it as 3 unbent, then3 bent followed by a two draw (on a d harp)
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Lucky Lester
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Gnarly
895 posts
Feb 03, 2014
9:43 PM
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Cool harmonies on this
Last Edited by Gnarly on Feb 03, 2014 9:46 PM
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Dennis.b
3 posts
Feb 03, 2014
10:12 PM
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thanks winslow , iam also a beginner and dont belive that beginners could anwser most of the questions that we may need help with. you tell em mate. keep harpin taza i noticted you were the next person to join the forum after me. so lets keep wailen on these pros. dennis b
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Mirco
89 posts
Feb 03, 2014
10:27 PM
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Didjcripey:
How many steps should the 3 be bent?
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nacoran
7524 posts
Feb 03, 2014
11:04 PM
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The beginner forum is just for beginners, but beginners are allowed to post anywhere. The beginners thread is just a place where new people can get their bearings.
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didjcripey
693 posts
Feb 03, 2014
11:34 PM
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Mirco: Till it sounds right
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Lucky Lester
Last Edited by didjcripey on Feb 04, 2014 12:04 AM
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Taza
6 posts
Feb 04, 2014
1:02 AM
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thanks, winslow. it's nice to see beginners aren't pushed into one thread, here. (we're self-conscious enough)
didjcripey: thanks for the notes! now i can stop forcing my family to listen to different strings of notes and tell me which sounds better... cruel, undeserved punishment.
dennis: so true- the beginner's forum has varying levels, so maybe some could answer our questions but might as well throw them out to the pro-harpers if we have that chance!
gnarly: definitely worth checking out some of their other stuff if you like the harmonies. i'm trying to find more harp-players with this sound/setting (is it folk or "country blues?")
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GamblersHand
483 posts
Feb 04, 2014
3:34 AM
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Last Edited by GamblersHand on Feb 04, 2014 6:47 AM
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Baker
368 posts
Feb 04, 2014
4:18 AM
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Hi Taza,
It's played in A on a D harp.
It's the major third, then bending down to the second, and finally the root. This is a fairly common move in country and folk music.
So, didjcripey is correct, it's the three draw unbent (major third), bent down a whole step (the 2nd), then resolving on the 2 draw (the root.)
Last Edited by Baker on Feb 04, 2014 4:19 AM
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NiteCrawler .
256 posts
Feb 04, 2014
4:44 AM
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@Taza;FWIW The harp player in this group as you probrably know is Jim Fitting who originally played with a Boston based group called Treat Her Right back in the 80,s and 90,s.He played amplified harp with them although you can hear his distinctive comping/solos in they,re music.I,ve always dug his playing and was happy to know that he took a new approach in his playing with Session Americana.If you get a chance to check out some of they,re material I think you might enjoy hearing it.
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dougharps
540 posts
Feb 04, 2014
12:08 PM
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@Taza
Thank you for posting the Session Americana video. I had never heard of them. Other than playing acoustic and electric blues, this kind of music is of great interest to me.
I have loved fiddle and harp since I was part of an acoustic trio in 2001.
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Doug S.
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Taza
8 posts
Feb 04, 2014
6:13 PM
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thanks, Baker. any other country/folk harp players you could recommend who use this? I'm trying to find my groove with harp and while I love blues I'm also drawn to this kind of folk/roots music. I haven't come across much folk music where harp isn't just thrown in as a sidenote, though I know it's out there...
Nitecrawler: yes! I've just started getting into Treat Her Right (trying to learn I Think She Likes Me). A very different sound, but both great. i was lucky enough to see Session Americana play live a few times at the Lizard Lounge in Cambridge, MA: Fitting blew me away- such great tone and so expressive. really inspired me to pick up harp again.
Doug: glad you're into it. yeah, the fiddle and harp complement each other so well... let me know if you have any recommendations for other folk-acoustic harp. i'd also be really interested to hear your own stuff from the acoustic trio if you have recordings.
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dougharps
542 posts
Feb 05, 2014
9:44 AM
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Taza, I just posted a YouTube audio of a couple songs from the acoustic trio, recorded in 2001. I don't have it listed as a regular video, but I will leave it up for a couple weeks.
The songs are not so much folk music, just fun music. Matt and Lisa were better at music than I was, though I have improved since then. I hope you enjoy the songs.
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Doug S.
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mr_so&so
777 posts
Feb 05, 2014
10:26 AM
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This is MBH after all, so we should add the 6ob to the second position blues scale as the blue third in the middle octave. If you've got a harp that will do it, it's great practice to work that 6ob into your second position runs.
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Baker
369 posts
Feb 05, 2014
11:09 AM
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Hi Taza. I used the almost exact same lick on this track I recorded with my band. You can here it here: http://knightsofmentis.bandcamp.com/track/your-man.
There's a whole album up there. Most tracks have harp on them but not all. Similar set up to the OP. Full album here: http://knightsofmentis.bandcamp.com.
On my phone, but will try and post some more examples of harp players who play this kind of music.
One player who springs to mind is Will Greener, he used to post here a bit but not heard much from him recently. Check out his work on Hey Negrita's album "Burn the whole place down".
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colman
294 posts
Feb 05, 2014
11:54 AM
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the wailing note ,i find to be using a vibrato on whatever note used.most likley a draw note.a draw on two notes turned into one note gives a bit of honk effect.but going like a singing voice into a vibrato creates the wailing tone.guitar and horn players use it all the time...thats a big part of the blues....
Last Edited by colman on Feb 05, 2014 11:56 AM
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Taza
12 posts
Feb 06, 2014
12:10 AM
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Doug, thanks for posting those! Loved the sound, and there's such good energy between the fiddle and the harp when they work off each other.
Mr_: still working on getting a usable overblow(beginner here), but thanks for the tip- definitely reason to work harder at this.
Baker: Nice! I really like how the sound of the lick speeded up and repeated. Just listened to the song but looking forward to checking out the rest of the album and Will Greener's work. Yeah any more examples you have, keep em coming. I plan on doing some massive downloading asap.
colman: usually using a throat vibrato, or does it matter?
I was also trying to mimic this same kind of lick but starting out with a 3-4 draw then bending them down to the 2 (or maybe 2-3 draw) but having trouble making the 3-4 draw bend not turning into a honk effect.
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dougharps
546 posts
Feb 06, 2014
10:31 AM
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Thanks, Taza! I just put a couple more up: Fisherman's Blues on diatonic and Fog Town which is played on chromatic.
I am presently playing in a duo with the guitar player Matt Stewart (occasionally with Bob Watson joining us on guitar and dobro.) Lisa moved on to other projects years ago. She didn't think of herself as a vocalist, but I really liked her singing.
I may put a couple more up another day. I am enjoying revisiting this music. I like the acoustic renditions of this material. It was a fun trio!
On the wailing note, I see that it is suggested to bend the 3 draw and go to the 2 draw. I often go to the same note, but the 3 blow, instead.
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Doug S.
Last Edited by dougharps on Feb 06, 2014 10:33 AM
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Taza
13 posts
Feb 07, 2014
6:37 AM
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Doug- really enjoyed listening to these last two! I agree, I really like Lisa's voice- seems to lend itself well to folk, blues, and jazz. Very versatile trio you all had. Fisherman's blues is my personal favorite- great harmonizing and seamless harp switching.
I will give the 3 blow a try- I always ignore it but not sure why, it might feel more natural.
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CapnKen
47 posts
Feb 07, 2014
5:34 PM
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i think if you just do the 3 draw bent as far as you can (at this point) then to a 3 blow or 2 draw which ever seem natural to you, you will have it. Also use a harp that easy to bend like a Golden Melody and the bend will get deper as you progress. Big fan of Beertown and their other music. I dont think our link is working but we have a song called Tired on reverbnation that the lead is dobro and it is about as folky as we are going to get, being a blues band. http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/mudflapnicholsandthetwistedspokesk">
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Taza
18 posts
Feb 08, 2014
3:27 PM
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CapnKen, thanks for sharing! Love the country influence on Tired. excited to listen to the others, too. Man I'm glad to have jumped into this forum, so much great music to be found, old and new.
I just got the 6ob! On a C harp though. Need to first make it consistent then will transfer to a D harp.
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