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joe
108 posts
Oct 12, 2013
6:07 PM
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when i was a kid we never spoke about sex and we never spoke about money.
but sex was hard to ignore because it was scrawled on dunny walls
and hormones made you wonder.
and sex was everywhere, but no one talked about it. television, advertising,
magazines and some know all female in a magazine telling us how the world
worked.
it wasn't any easier amongst friends either. the same rules applied to us all.
we just didn't talk about it even though we desperately wanted to know.
so you ended up with some cock-eyed view from not wanting to appear small
or stupid.
same with the understanding of money. depends on your family. mine never
discussed it 'with the childen around' so i didn't have a clue.
and i didn't have a clue. about a lot of things. until i was 50. and then
i really new i didn't know. and somehow i had a wonderful wife, who had
proved most sex information just plain bad and who managed our finances
well, and 4 kids.
sex is a dangerous dragon, there is no doubt. the first thing you learn as
a teenager is that it is a 'dirty' thing.
'get your mind out of the gutter'
'you've got a dirty mind'
'i know what you're thinking about. you need to ask God to forgive your
for your dirty thoughts' [ a 'scripture' teacher in high school]
and a real zinger, an undercurrent of homosexuality but no one dared talk
about it because that might mean you are.
but it is made dirty by an attitude and a way of talking. as with other
things. and so with this forum.
so we don't discuss sex, money, politics, religion. because the talk
can turn 'dirty' in an instant. like when you tell someone something
in private and they blab it to the world. isn't it funny how they are such
personal, interesting subjects but we are 'not allowed' to talk about them?
we've been given a wonderful resource for a social and historical understanding
of our art. for me, music has always been personal and deeply reflective of
life. The 'Blues Talks' discuss a whole bunch of things which might be
uncomfortable or challenge our understanding.
somewhere Adam advises getting out of the woodshed and seeing how the world
is, how things are. but we can't do that if we cannot discuss things. Politics
is not directly related to harmonica playing, it would seem, but we don't
know - there have been discussions on copyright and live music making,
healthcare. stupid government has often had musicians getting stuck into
it over the past 100 years.
there have been a number of threads locked lately. the natives are getting
restless. other threads which have become a bit heated have been allowed to
conclude on their own.
emotional intelligence is not easy. i appreciate Nacoran's and Kudzurunner's
role in helping us to 'play nice'.
"freely exchange" above carries with it a burden of responsibility
joe
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kudzurunner
4305 posts
Oct 12, 2013
6:42 PM
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Joe: You're welcome. But you're also wrong. Curious about your claim that "there have been a number of threads locked lately," I scrolled back through the first nine pages of forum threads. I locked one thread today. There were two threads locked on October 1, entitled "Who is the WORST harmonica player?" and "Who is the most overrated?" Prior to that, there were no threads locked at least as far back as September 24th.
We're not locking threads to shut down conversations that need to be had. We're locking threads, on the rare occasions when we lock them, to keep this place reasonably peaceful and reasonably constructive. I locked a thread today because it was rapidly turning into a USA vs. UK thing.
This is a blues harmonica forum. There are many political forums that you and others can participate in. I'll be blunt: folks like Nacoran and Todd and I are needed because some folks--and in this case, you--do what good blues people do: You shade reality in the direction of what you sincerely wish was the truth. I feel your pain. But you're wrong about the frequency of locked threads here and the nature of the threads that have been locked. There's absolutely no reason why those two threads locked on October 1 needed to continue. They were classic examples of trollism. I hope you agree.
We do the best job we can. To the extent that you also note that, I thank you. To the extent that YOU are the person who is inciting the natives to be restless rather than objectively noting our actual behavior as moderators, you're trouble, at least potentially. And, sadly, we're forced to take note of that. That's our job and we accept it.
FYI, the "Who is the most overrated [pro harp player]" thread shows up at the top of p. 1 in a google search for the search terms "most overrated harmonica player." This forum has the power to make and break reputations--or at least to sling a lot of mud. My moderators take that power seriously and we act, hopefully, in a way that shows us to be responsible stewards.
https://www.google.com/#q=most+overrated+harmonica+player
On rereading your post, it seems to me that you're trying for the most part to thank rather than critique our moderators' role here, and for that I do thank you.
Last Edited by kudzurunner on Oct 12, 2013 6:57 PM
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JInx
575 posts
Oct 12, 2013
7:21 PM
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If you are going to put forth and promote these lists of "top rated players of all time" you gotta be able to handle the flip side. Or, you're just blowing hot air.
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1847
1189 posts
Oct 12, 2013
7:56 PM
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I would like to thank mr joe
For expressing what some of us
Were thinking, but did not know how to put into words.
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
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joe
109 posts
Oct 12, 2013
8:25 PM
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my post had no malice or evil intent.
i voiced my disapproval of the thread
Who is the WORST Harmonica Player? IYHO
at the time, and applaud its shutdown
same goes for
Who is the most overrated
i regret now being a person of interest.
j.
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Frank
2987 posts
Oct 13, 2013
3:46 AM
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Joe, this should help relieve your desire for knowledge :)
Last Edited by Frank on Oct 13, 2013 3:47 AM
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SteamrollinStan
66 posts
Oct 13, 2013
4:36 AM
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Never read all the posts, however i'm shootin pool with a rope....While i'm here, tht Letterman dick pisses off Ozzies, gosh he's just a wanker.
Last Edited by SteamrollinStan on Oct 13, 2013 4:39 AM
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kudzurunner
4306 posts
Oct 13, 2013
4:53 AM
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joe: I've just gone back and checked and you're quite right about you having voiced your disapproval at the time. You wrote: "i think it is good for us to visit our demons and it is likely part of the blues condition but i don't think that this particular visit is very constructive...more hurtful i would say, and unnecessarily so." Many thanks for that.
jinx: Since yours was one of the two threads the moderators (not me, but with my prior approval) shut down, I don't expect you to be happy. We understand that not everybody will be happy with our decisions. Still, we don't use our power arbitrarily. To start a thread entitled "Who is the most overrated [pro harp player]?" [the bracketed phrase was in your one sentence OP] immediately after the moderators, with community support, had shut down a thread entitled "Who is the WORST harp player?", was an incitement to misbehavior, pure and simple. If you don't get that--well, we can't make everybody happy. You've been a member here for some time and have made many, many constructive contributions. Please continue them.
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Kingley
3195 posts
Oct 13, 2013
6:04 AM
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Whilst I agree that this forum needs moderators and a set of guidelines to abide by, and that without those rules this forum would undoubtedly be an anarchic place destined to ultimate failure. I also see the fact that music historically has been often used to protest against politics, religion, racism, abuse of many different kinds. It's also intrinsically linked to money and sex. Arguably blues music has been more linked to all of the issues of addressing, sex, money, politics, race and religion than most other musical forms. Protesting against things and informing people of situations is one of the foundational cornerstones of blues music. To deny that would be to misunderstand a large part of the history of the music. If we were all in the same room physically we might be be able to better discuss these often sensitive subjects without falling into the trap of it becoming a slanging match. Although I doubt that really as it's human nature to disagree, just as much as it is to follow blindly like sheep without question some of the time. So given that this is the condition of human nature, I think it only right and proper that some kind of policing is maintained within the structure of this forum.
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atty1chgo
728 posts
Oct 13, 2013
8:01 AM
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Politics don't belong on this Forum. Period, end of story.
I'm a member of several forums on Facebook where politics are discussed, and I debate with people on their own pages as well. I'm not politically correct, and I speak my mind. But that's not why I come here, and that is not why the vast majority of members come here either.
This is a blues harmonica forum first, then blues music generally, then music generally, especially as it relates to what we do as harmonica musicians. The jazz, rock, pop and other music idioms are also discussed here. Copyright laws regarding music are certainly welcomed, because they are directly related to blues music. But like discussions about the government shutdown, or the budget, or world politics, or political repression or world hunger, take it somewhere else please. Just my two cents. You wouldn't want people talking about fondue cooking at a football blog either. Just sayin'.
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Kingley
3197 posts
Oct 13, 2013
8:36 AM
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"Copyright laws regarding music are certainly welcomed, because they are directly related to blues music."
Atty1chgo - Very true it is directly related to blues music. Then again so are racism, politics, religion, sex, money, depression, homelessness, crime, hunger, death, birth and just about every other facet of the human condition. That's an inescapable fact of the blues. It's role is, has and always will be to address those issues within it's musical forum. Those conditions are why people sing and play the blues. Blues is about life.
Please don't misconstrue my comment as a personal dig at you, because that is certainly not it's intention. It's intent is to point out a simple truth about blues music that many people may not realise or may have forgotten. Like I've already stated I do think it's only right and proper that the forum has rules and that we abide by them. However sometimes people will bend, blur or break those rules. That is just a part of human nature. Which is precisely where the moderators come in. They do a great job and I can't say that I've ever after consideration disagreed with any decision they have made. Most of the time they give a person plenty of warnings before they kick them out. That is good policing in action.
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Frank
2989 posts
Oct 13, 2013
8:41 AM
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I beg to differ atty...check this out - it would kill at a football tail - gate :)
Flaming Turtle Chocolate Fondue Recipe
Prep Time: 10 minutes
Cook Time: 15 minutes
Total Time: 25 minutesIngredients:
•1/4 cup milk
•1/2 cup milk chocolate
•1/4 cup caramel syrup
•2 Tbsp pecans, chopped
•2 Tbsp rum, 151-proof for flambé
•.
•For the Dipping Basket:
•Fruit, cut (strawberries, bananas and pineapple)
•Marshmallows
•Cake, cubed (pound cake and cheesecake)
Preparation:
Soften milk chocolate in the microwave. Heat milk in the fondue pot. Once it's hot, add softened chocolate. Stir until you have a smooth consistency. Pour caramel into a pool in the middle of the chocolate. When it's time to serve, pour the rum over the top of the chocolate. Leave a small amount on the spoon to ignite with a lighter. Use flaming spoon to ignite the rum on the chocolate. Add the chopped pecans to the chocolate. Allow the flame to burn out.
Note: All dipping items should be skewered and dipped in the chocolate. Be careful as you reach the sides and bottom of the fondue pot; the chocolate tends to be hotter there.
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1847
1190 posts
Oct 13, 2013
8:53 AM
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Politics don't belong on this Forum. Period, end of story.
if i am not mistaken.. you are an attorney?
First Amendment to the United States Constitution
protects free speech.... period end of story
isn't it great to be in America?
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
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nacoran
7225 posts
Oct 13, 2013
11:44 AM
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1847, the First Amendment protects speech from government censorship. It doesn't mean that a particular site has to host any particular topic.
We have, in the past, had some wonderful discussion on issues where politics and blues intersect. The key is everyone respecting each other, and I think, keeping it related tightly to the blues keeps people focuses on what brings us together more than what makes us different.
I do think it's important too, that when we do have touchy discussions that we label them as such, so the people who want to steer clear can. That last one was a thread about a TV show. If you find they are about to make a post, whether it's a whole new thread or just a post on an existing thread, that is likely to get people upset, (I use this rule myself) ask yourself-
1. Is it on topic for the forum and the thread? If it's off topic is it labeled OT?
2. Is it inflamatory or likely to get people heated? If it is, have you made sure you are treating the subject carefully? For instance, if you are talking about the use of derogatory language in music targeted towards race or gender or whatever did you write a well thought out question or statement, or did you just post something, throw out a piece of bait and see if anyone bit?
If it's OT, and it fails the second test, please don't post it. If it's not OT, and you think it's a discussion worth having, but you think it might get people riled up, treat it carefully. If you think it's might get people angry, or you start seeing the thread go off the rails, give us a heads up. OT Threads about TV shows probably aren't the place to be having political debates.
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the_happy_honker
169 posts
Oct 13, 2013
1:04 PM
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What does the First Amendment have to do with this? This forum is Adam's back yard party. You can exercise your First Amendment right to disagree with him on the sidewalk out front.
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Frank
2991 posts
Oct 13, 2013
2:00 PM
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Has anyone read this book :)
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harmonicanick
2056 posts
Oct 13, 2013
2:43 PM
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@nacoran
As I posted this thread in all innocence..
1. It was labeled OT
2. I was not trying to be provocative, I really enjoyed that tv show, but was interested in the level of gun ownership (a relevant issue for Americans and others and the Brits) methinks, and provoked some interesting reactions, but nothing that would warrant thread lock IMHO
It did not fail the second test
@ the_happy_honker
Not interested in arguing in a sidewalk in Mississippi at the moment thanks all the same:)
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nacoran
7227 posts
Oct 13, 2013
7:54 PM
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Harmonicanick, I was saying it as a general rule, not in relation to any one thread, but it should pass both tests. Basically, it was OT and on a topic likely to get people worked up (not because it was about a show, but the 'Wow, what a country you have there' part.) Like I said, I wasn't trying to single out any thread in particular, just trying to clarify a bit. I'm not saying that you didn't post it in good faith, just that it was one of the topics likely to get things heated. I figure if we are going to have a discussion where passions run high, it at least ought to be blues related. :)
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1847
1191 posts
Oct 13, 2013
10:39 PM
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I just read the forum “creed”
It says we may not discuss
Religion, I find that somewhat ironic
Since the only time I have ever heard that word was in church.
But nowhere does it say we must never speak politically.
First of all, I have not started any thread that was locked, to my knowledge I haven’t participated on a locked thread. Can someone point out an instance where I have been disrespectful?
If a thread is started, I have as much right to express my opinion as ANYONE…. you do not have to agree with me. I know how I feel.. I know what I think, it is refreshing to here a different perspective.
For the record… I may be the only member here ……
Who does not own a television.
With the possible exception of martin.
Read Elmore Leonard, skip that TV shit.
Read Elmore Leonard, skip that TV shit.
Read Elmore Leonard, skip that TV shit.
Read Elmore Leonard, skip that TV shit.
Read Elmore Leonard, skip that TV shit.
Read Elmore Leonard, skip that TV shit.
Read Elmore Leonard, skip that TV shit.
So a thread was locked re: a tv show
Really?
Kingley stated…
'm not condemning any Americans for owning guns as is their right in law. I do though question the laws that allow them to do so.
How is that offensive?
I find it thought provoking and intelligent.
If someone starts a thread and it is not to your liking
It is a very simple process… simply click on one that is
More suited to your personality.
Rape…… murder… it’s just a click away … it’s just a click away
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i get a lot of request when i play my harmonica
"but i play it anyway"
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Frank
3000 posts
Oct 14, 2013
5:21 AM
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Just Sayin :) is there an sumbiminal message to worship satan in this video :(
[Please]"DO NOT" click this link [Thank You]
Last Edited by Frank on Oct 14, 2013 9:01 AM
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