HawkeyeKane
1960 posts
Aug 28, 2013
5:21 PM
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Just caught this on TGP...looks sweet! And it's a single ended 6L6!
Fender Pawn Shop Ramparte
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Bigtone
328 posts
Aug 28, 2013
6:23 PM
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I find it funny and interesting how Fender all the sudden wants to make amps look like valco amps. What is funny is we have so much technology today that you would think you could make amps identical to those back then sound and look and quality wise but somehow it is not being done. I give props to Fender for at least giving it a some what easy thought. You got to admit after awhile fender amps start to look boring and more like a cinder block than an amp. Go Fender!! My wife said the other day when we saw a pack of old 50's cars drive by why the hell can't we make ever car look like that. It is true!! Would it hurt anyone to put some curves on these ladies they are pumpin out?
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Rick Davis
2285 posts
Aug 28, 2013
8:14 PM
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Looks like a winner to me. I'd like to try it.
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HawkeyeKane
1961 posts
Aug 29, 2013
8:56 AM
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Only thing I can see lacking on it is a tone control. Wonder why they're skivving on that...heck, even the Greta has one, and the Excelsior at least has a bright/dark switch.
But tone control aside...I think this little baby might make up for the disappointment that the Excelsior turned out to be for a lot of harp players.
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rogonzab
368 posts
Aug 29, 2013
9:59 AM
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I am whit Bigtone.
Why fender cant make "vintage" amps? they make guitar amps, and lots of people want that fender sound, but many people believe that the new fenders sounds just like the old one (think in that new fender champ that sounds like a toy whit tubes), they can build a original tweed champ circuit for the price of their new fender 600, and they would own that market.
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rogonzab
369 posts
Aug 29, 2013
9:59 AM
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I am whit Bigtone.
Why fender cant make "vintage" amps? they make guitar amps, and lots of people want that fender sound, but many people believe that the new fenders sounds just like the old one (think in that new fender champ that sounds like a toy whit tubes), they can build a original tweed champ circuit for the price of their new fender 600, and they would own that market.
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6SN7
357 posts
Aug 29, 2013
12:09 PM
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"cool volume, hot volume"....confusion.
at least to me, why not tone and volume.
imagine if these sound like say a vintage 47, at that price point, wow.
to be continued....
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Rick Davis
2291 posts
Aug 29, 2013
12:28 PM
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Steve Marriner, a great harp player out of Ottawa, loves his Fender Excelsior amp.
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Last Edited by Rick Davis on Aug 29, 2013 12:28 PM
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Hondo
239 posts
Aug 29, 2013
12:46 PM
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Why not just buy a Pro Junior?
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HawkeyeKane
1965 posts
Aug 30, 2013
7:13 AM
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"Why not just buy a Pro Junior?"
Impossible to know yet what a Ramparte sounds like, but I'd bet the two have significantly different sounds to them. PJ's are great. But it's a push-pull EL84 amp, and the Ramparte is a single ended 6L6. Circuitry is obviously different, but it might hold a candle to the Lone Wolf 6L6SE.
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barbequebob
2327 posts
Aug 30, 2013
7:43 AM
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Many amps in the 40's as well as very low powered amps made in the 50's often didn't have a tone control at all. The whole thing about cool or hot volume is based more on what's going into the amp.
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PropMan
6 posts
Aug 30, 2013
7:47 AM
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I've got an old Kustom Craft 3-tube widowmaker with no tone control that sounds fantastic as long as it doesn't have to compete with anything. 8" Jensen alnico, PIO caps, etc. 4 watts of heaven (or is that hell?). I did put in an isolation transformer/fuse and a 3-prong plug so it doesn't kill me, however.
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HawkeyeKane
1966 posts
Aug 30, 2013
8:13 AM
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I know, I know....a tone control doesn't really make or break an amp. Hell, Champs didn't have them until '64. But it's nice to have one, especially after you get spoiled playing on amps that all have at least one tone knob. :-)
Sidenote on this....
Many times in different threads, when the topic of conversation has come to Champ-circuit amps, the HG2 has come up as a high-end option for harp players. Now, I've never seen an HG2 in person, and I dunno if anyone but Brian has seen a schematic on it, so I dunno what arrangement he has in the chassis. But considering that the HG2 has a tone control, would it be more appropos to say that it's actually a Tweed Princeton circuit rather than Champ?
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barbequebob
2328 posts
Aug 30, 2013
8:19 AM
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Some of the best amps I ever played thru didn't have a tone control, but they usually weren't powerful enough for a gig, but made great recording amps.
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HawkeyeKane
1967 posts
Aug 30, 2013
8:25 AM
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Pictures for forum reference of the new Ramparte.
EDIT: Sorry about the gargantuan pics before. Sometimes I hate Sweetwater's setup...but they're the only ones I see who are taking preorders for it so far.
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Last Edited by HawkeyeKane on Aug 30, 2013 8:31 AM
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blueswannabe
264 posts
Aug 30, 2013
10:49 AM
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Come on Fender, go to a place like Detroit, a city that needs help and makes these amps there!!
I like retro but not the styling of this amp. Looks cheesy. They could do better on manufacturing and design. Hopefully, it sounds great.
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Bigtone
331 posts
Aug 30, 2013
11:12 AM
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My friend had an excel amp and the speakers truly suck. We stuck a Weber and bam twice as loud. Another thing fender ducks on is speakers. Another friend has Princeton reissue and you cannot make that thing sound good with that speaker
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Bigtone
332 posts
Aug 30, 2013
11:12 AM
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My friend had an excel amp and the speakers truly suck. We stuck a Weber and bam twice as loud. Another thing fender ducks on is speakers. Another friend has Princeton reissue and you cannot make that thing sound good with that speaker
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Kingley
3076 posts
Aug 30, 2013
11:34 AM
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"Another friend has Princeton reissue and you cannot make that thing sound good with that speaker"
Bigtone - That's the complete opposite of my experience with the '65 Princeton Reverb Reissue. I found it to be the best amp I've ever played through.
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Stevelegh
827 posts
Aug 30, 2013
12:07 PM
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Kudos to Fender for all the retro vibes and stuff and I love my Excelsior, but volume tone and reverb should be a prerequisite for any amp IMHO.
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Barley Nectar
3 posts
Aug 30, 2013
1:47 PM
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I think it is a nice looking little amp. Too bad I'm not into one trick ponies. Would much rather ride a big horse. Something that can stroll thru the crowd with authority. Jump high fences. Run long and hard.
I personally would like to see a V front 4x10 stereo rig at least 20w per side. Now we're talkin...
Last Edited by Barley Nectar on Aug 30, 2013 1:48 PM
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Bigtone
334 posts
Aug 30, 2013
3:25 PM
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@Kingsley
I was simply commenting on the crap speakers they put in the amps. Besides that I'm not a fender guy at all. Fenders don't give in or give up for me. When I play harp I want my amp to respond to me and it to react to me but I've yet to hear a new fender do that. Too shrill too me. There is no mellow even sound in black and silver fenders. The tweeds and brown can be different stories. What kills me is fender spends there time on a cool cab and name but they put a $20 speaker in the amps
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Kingley
3078 posts
Aug 30, 2013
4:14 PM
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"When I play harp I want my amp to respond to me and it to react to me but I've yet to hear a new fender do that."
Bigtone - That's just how the Princeton worked for me. It reacted perfectly to my playing. I like the classic Fender amps , except the Silverface amps generally speaking. Then again though I haven't played through as many of those old vintage amps as you. Maybe my opinion would be different if I had.
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Barley Nectar
4 posts
Aug 30, 2013
6:50 PM
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I do like Fender amps. Most of mine are silver face. I change the speakers in most of them. My "75" is the exception. It is stock and kicks serious butt on the clean channel. The Princeton Rev. is a great harp amp IMO. Have a 68 Bandmaster running into a Tremoluxe style 2x10 cab with a vintage P10P and a Ragin Cajun. Man, talk about tone. All you really have to do to vintage Fenders is change the couplers to .047 or .1 and beef up the PS caps and knock down the voltage to V1 to make a good harp amp. Pretty simple really.
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Burntski
1 post
Jan 21, 2015
7:09 PM
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Ya know, not all of us can't handle the cost of a Sonny. So the rest of us have to mod and make due. One of my rigs is a Excelsior and it takes a little moddin but it sounds sweet. Billm has the answer for tone. Tubes are more subjective but I like a ECC832 pre (JJcryo)and JJ outputs. Speaker choice is still up in the air with several cabinets tried but cheap and raunchy stock speaker still has it's merits. I use a half dozen mics but like my 79 green bullet most with this rig.
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