Martin
356 posts
Jun 03, 2013
11:49 AM
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Or same harmonica -- different reeds, if you prefer.
Excepting the Hohner MS series that I´ve understood as having the same reeds/reedplates (and that is somehow the point of them; not many other points, is my impression), Lee Oskar´s Major diatonic serie have the same reeds/reedplates as Tombo´s Folk Blues.
Or so I´ve been told. (The price difference is considerable, though.)
What other harmonicas have this same feature?
/Martin
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florida-trader
309 posts
Jun 03, 2013
1:11 PM
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Martin.
The Seydel harmonicas are modular in design. Any reed plate and/or covers fit on any comb. Suzuki is also that way although the Manji cover plate holes are a toward the front of the harp. Bushman Delta Frost is a Suzuki HarpMaster Clone. And finally, if you are handy with a drill press you can fit any of the Hohner Diatonics to any of the combs. The spacing and width of the reed slots and tines is the same on all models. You might have to trim a reed plate to make it fit, but that's no hill for a climber. (For example, Marine Band Plates are a little longer than Specia 20's but it is just as easy to drill them out for a SP20 comb as it is MB comb.)
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Martin
358 posts
Jun 04, 2013
5:55 AM
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Thank you Tom.
Sadly I´m not handy at all -- rather the contrary. But you say Seydel´s are interchangeable, that´s really good to know since they´re on my "to try" list.
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GMaj7
222 posts
Jun 04, 2013
7:26 AM
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Seydels are interchangeable as Tom said and even the reeds are interchangeable between models. The only hitch is the reed plates of which there are 2 designs to fit on 2 different combs (Recessed and grooved). Another interesting fact about Seydel harps is/are the consistent reed slot dimension across most models. So in other words, if one was so inclined, a LOW F Seydel could be converted to a regular F or any other key as each individual reed slot is the same size. This makes alternate tuning, repairs, etc very simple. There are exceptions but these kick in at the extremes.
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Last Edited by GMaj7 on Jun 04, 2013 7:50 AM
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Lyle
39 posts
Nov 19, 2013
3:10 PM
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Can anyone tell me if Seydel 1847 reeds will fit into Hohner MS harps, or vice versa? Are the reeds the same size?
Last Edited by Lyle on Nov 19, 2013 3:11 PM
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GMaj7
307 posts
Nov 19, 2013
9:14 PM
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There are some reeds that by luck will fit but for the most part I would not consider them interchangeable. I've certainly put a few Seydel reeds in Hohners in a pinch but it certainly wouldn't be cost effective in most cases.
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Lyle
40 posts
Nov 20, 2013
1:01 AM
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Thanks Greg!
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arzajac
1205 posts
Nov 20, 2013
3:04 AM
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Lyle, Hohner Marine Band-type harps (MB, Crossover, Special 20 and Golden Melody) all share the same reeds. The MS series reeds are a little shorter and fatter. You cannot interchange them (MB to MS).
Seydel reeds are the same dimensions as MB long-slot reeds (Key of C and lower)
Suzuki Manji reeds are the same dimensions as MB. Suzuki Harpmaster and the like are different - they are shorter/fatter.
B-Radical reeds match MB reeds, too....
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Martin
530 posts
Nov 20, 2013
5:16 AM
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@Martin,
Now we appear to be two Martins on the list. (Hadn´t noticed that before.) Maybe, since I´m a contentious bastard, and you appear to be perfectly civil, this can lead to you getting some flac for stuff I write.
Perhaps not one of the bigger problems in the world, but still.
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arzajac
1206 posts
Nov 20, 2013
5:27 AM
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Holy Mackerel! Both Martins have the same user profile link, but different post count!
It's like that episode of Star Trek, where Kirk gets split into two by the transporter! Not that I am implying one Martin is going to get drunk on Saurian brandy and start accosting people... They are both awesome.
My point is this could lead to confusion to say the least.
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Last Edited by arzajac on Nov 20, 2013 5:28 AM
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harpwrench
721 posts
Nov 20, 2013
6:58 AM
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@arzajac here's some of my experience with interchange. Please respect me by not reposting it as your own information, until you've actually done it.
Manji and B-Radical reeds are not all the same dimensions as Hohner hand-mades. Some of the reeds will fit, some won't. Suzuki long slots carry the wider reeds up through hole 7. Lengths on some reeds are different. Suzuki short slot reeds aren't fatter than long slot reeds, the break between wide/narrow is just different (you can swap a 4 draw from a Suzuki short slot into a Hohner short slot 4 hole, if you file the slot, or you can use a Manji 6 hole reed). Manji wide reeds are slightly wider than Hohners, enough to cause problems if repairing an embossed slot with the Manji reed. Upper register Manji reeds will fit in a Hohner but will give you extremely loose slot tolerances. B-Radical 6-10 hole reeds are significantly wider and not interchangeable without slot filing or reed narrowing. I've done a bunch of 1847's, but have no experience with cross-breeding using their reeds, so I won't speculate on that.
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arzajac
1207 posts
Nov 20, 2013
8:21 AM
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Joe, what I said is from my own experience. But we are talking about swapping reeds in the opposite direction - you are putting Suzuki and other reeds into Hohners - I don't put anything but Hohner reeds in Hohners, but I will put Hohner reeds in Suzuki (long-slot) or Seydel harps.
I have found it straightforward and never had a problem sizing. I never file a slot to make a reed fit, rather, I find the reed that fits.
I'm sure you are correct that some Suzuki long-slot reeds have different lengths, I guess I have never run into that. I never explored putting Hohner reeds into Suzuki short-slot harps - it's just easier for me to use Suzuki-short-slot reeds and not worry about size and tuning.
I didn't know about the upper B-Radical reeds - The ones I have seen fit. I was under the impression Brad Harrison reverse-engineered the reed shape from Hohner and only later on tweaked their shape (flex point). My bad.
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nacoran
7355 posts
Nov 20, 2013
11:10 AM
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Two Martins!
I think Orson Wells had something about a Martin invasion.
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nacoran
7356 posts
Nov 20, 2013
11:12 AM
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(Or one Martin with amnesia!)
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2chops
199 posts
Nov 20, 2013
12:20 PM
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A tale of two Martins. It was the best of playing. It was the worst of playing....
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MP
3000 posts
Nov 20, 2013
12:33 PM
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Just last week I mistook a Seydel reed for a Hohner reed. The difference in length was really drastic.
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Philosofy
494 posts
Nov 20, 2013
12:33 PM
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Roses are red,
Violets are blue
I'm schizophrenic
And so am I
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Martin
531 posts
Nov 20, 2013
5:04 PM
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@nacoran: Amnesia? If I have it I´ve forgotten. But I admit I´m tottering into Lalaland: 56 yrs and counting. Seeing another Martin popping up here could be potentially disturbing.
Unless Martin II introduces a distinguishing moniker -- I believe I was here first! -- I´ll have to start referring to myself as Martin the Swede, although I´m in no way proud of that nationality. (Then again, maybe Martin II is a Swedish as well?)
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Frank
3321 posts
Nov 20, 2013
5:30 PM
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Has anyone else noticed that you can make the words art, tin, mart, mat, nat, rat, ran, tar, man, ram, it, in, tan, an, main, rain, rim, out of Martin :0
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