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Slimharp
4 posts
May 06, 2013
6:28 AM
Anybody out there have any experience with the Weber Signature 10" speakers. I have a modded 93 Blues De Ville 4-10 with the stock Eminence speakers. They are very well broken in and sound pretty good but are a little trebbely. I was told by an electronic geek friend that the Webers were a more harp friendly speaker.Just wondering if I would be wasting my time or would there be a noticeable difference. I have also heard the Mojo Tone speakers were good. Any suggestions based on experience. Thanks
HawkeyeKane
1652 posts
May 06, 2013
6:58 AM
Weber Sig 10's are a good harp speaker to be sure. And Mojotone speakers are also very reputable in general, though I've not heard many harp players say they implement them. One 10" I'd defineitely recommend is the Eminence Lil' Buddy. Buddy of mine stuck two in the bottom of his 59 Bassman LTD and they give him a very good low-end response with some healthy crunch as well.
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MJ
621 posts
May 06, 2013
8:12 AM
I have used the Weber signature series speaker and found them pretty darn good,and reasonably priced too. If you can afford a step higher, I strongly recommend the Weber Vintage Series speaker for harp. I also have 2 Lil Buddy speakers in the bottom of my Mission 32-20 3x10 and they are great.

Last Edited by MJ on May 06, 2013 8:12 AM
puri
70 posts
May 06, 2013
8:16 AM
@MJ; "I also have 2 Lil Buddy speakers in the bottom of my Mission 32-20 3x10 and they are great." Is that the standard speakers for the 3*10 mission? What is another one?
HawkeyeKane
1654 posts
May 06, 2013
8:54 AM
"Is that the standard speakers for the 3*10 mission? What is another one?"

According to what Bruce told me a while back, he offers the follwing 10" speakers.

- Quam 10" ceramic
- Eminence Lil Buddy ceramic
- Jensen P10Q alnico
- Weber Vintage 10A125 alnico
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puri
71 posts
May 06, 2013
9:37 AM
Thanks Hawk, I just really like the sound of the 3*10 one in the clip on his website so much and also looking for 10"s (maybe 12"s as well) with reasonable price to try out with my amp.
Rick Davis
1764 posts
May 06, 2013
9:55 AM
The Weber Sig series speakers are good -- not great -- for harp. The one I liked best was the ceramic Signature 10 with smooth cone.

There are tone samples of this speaker in a Pro Jr at The Blues Harp Amps Blog. Search on "pro jr."

The Eminence Lil Buddy is the best sounding 10-inch speaker I know of for blues harp amps. (Its big brother the Cannabis Rex is one of the best 12-inch speakers.) I have two of the Lil Buddy speakers in the bottom of my Bassman and they are strong and colorful. I had a Lil Buddy in my VHT Special 6 and the improvement was amazing.

The Jensen P10Q is good when mixed with speakers that are not as bright and are more efficient. Both the Jensen and Weber speakers are less sensitive, giving less volume per watt of input.

Speaker tone is totally subjective of course, and the problem is it is hard to try them all. If you like a darker old school Chicago tone with more punch I think you will like the Lil Buddy.



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Last Edited by Rick Davis on May 06, 2013 9:58 AM
HawkeyeKane
1655 posts
May 06, 2013
10:01 AM
Well in terms of 12's puri, you'd probably be in good shape with a ceramic Weber Sig 12S or Sig 12B depending on your breakup preferences. But Rick is right. The Eminence Cannabis Rex is probably the most popular 12" speaker these days for harp, with good reason.

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Last Edited by HawkeyeKane on May 06, 2013 10:01 AM
MJ
622 posts
May 06, 2013
10:07 AM
Puri. Bruce sent my 32-20 out to me with Jensen P10Q on top with a Lil Buddy and Quam on the bottom. Bruce is willing to put any speaker you want in when he builds it. I talked with him about speakers and went with his suggestion. When I played it I first tried a Weber Vintage 10F125-0 in place of the Quam. I settled on the 2 Lil Buddies and the Jensen. Speakers are always a matter of taste IMHO.
Rick Davis
1766 posts
May 06, 2013
10:08 AM
I had ghost notes and cone cry with Weber 12-inch speakers. I never use them any more. Their 10-inch speakers are fine.


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arnenym
136 posts
May 06, 2013
10:22 AM
I agree with Rick on this. Weber do many good speakers.
But none of them have give me real shivers. Weber 12's demand at least a light dope to avoid cone cry.

I have not tried Li'l buddy i can not say anything about that speaker. I like Jensen jet tornado (Neo magnet) best. But they could be too much with 4 of them in a strong amp like a BD.
You could tru to mix in one or two of them in your Blues deville.

Last Edited by arnenym on May 06, 2013 10:25 AM
rbeetsme
1219 posts
May 06, 2013
10:32 AM
Part of the Sonny Jr upgrade to a Super Sonny was to replace one of the Eminence ceramic speakers with another Weber. So the final lay-out was 3 Weber vintage 10A125-0 and an Eminence ceramic on the bottom. I liked the tone, early break-up but a little punch. I did the same thing with my Commando, 3 Rola alnicos and a Mojotone ceramic on each side.

Last Edited by rbeetsme on May 06, 2013 10:33 AM
HawkeyeKane
1657 posts
May 06, 2013
10:40 AM
Has anyone tried the Eminence Eric Johnson 1250 Signature alnico for harp yet? I'd love to see what that sucker would do with harp.
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Hawkeye Kane
1847
718 posts
May 06, 2013
10:47 AM
i have 4 mojo tones in my amp
they sound great.
if you asked me they are identical
to the blue frame eminence
the only differs a i can ascertain is the mojo is painted black.

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puri
72 posts
May 06, 2013
11:16 AM
@Hawk, the EJ is good but nothing beats the Jensen Tornado for my taste at the moment. I just couldn't get them locally.

Last Edited by puri on May 06, 2013 11:18 AM
Rick Davis
1767 posts
May 06, 2013
11:43 AM
arnenym, I have hear really good things about the Jensen Jet Tornado speakers but have not yet tried them myself. I'd like to.

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HarpNinja
3307 posts
May 06, 2013
12:37 PM
I really really like them...had the 8" in my Double Trouble and the 10" in a Bassman RI and Pro Jr.
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Rick Davis
1769 posts
May 06, 2013
3:26 PM
1847, the Mojotone speakers are indeed rebranded Eminence Legends.

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puri
73 posts
May 06, 2013
10:33 PM
@Rick, what's the main charactor of the Lil' Buddy (I mean something like crunchy, punchy, honky or something like that) and for one speaker combo amp that could have either 10" or 12" would that be your first choice? Thanks
arnenym
137 posts
May 07, 2013
4:56 AM
I forget to mention the Warehouse Veteran 10 speakers.
A little hard on the treble. But if you like a speakers with attitude This is the one.
Rick Davis
1771 posts
May 07, 2013
9:55 AM
puri, the Eminence Lil Buddy is:

-Smokey: It has big low mids without muffling the highs.

-Loud: It's sensitivity is 99dB, much higher than Jensen or Weber. It's perceived loudness with the same level of input is about twice as loud.

-Punchy: Ceramic speakers like the Lil Buddy do not compress the sound like alnico speakers. It really thumps; very dynamic. (note: many players prefer alnico speakers for this reason.)

-Musical: I don't get listener fatigue from this speaker. It is a very nice balance without any harshness or edginess.

puri, the distortion is warm... it puts a little hair on the notes. Is does not have a big ripping distortion.

I like the speaker a lot. Of course, speaker preference is SOOOOooooo subjective. But, since I first put one of these in the VHT Special 6 amp and published a video it on my blog they have been in demand. Bruce Collins blames me for a shortage.

This is the Lil Buddy speaker in the Mission Delta Sonic amp:




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Last Edited by Rick Davis on May 07, 2013 11:33 AM
Rick Davis
1772 posts
May 07, 2013
10:04 AM
arnenym, I have this speaker in my silverface Fender Champ right now: Warehouse Veteran 20



Badass crunch.



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Last Edited by Rick Davis on May 07, 2013 10:14 AM
HawkeyeKane
1660 posts
May 07, 2013
10:08 AM
@puri

I agree with Rick's synopsis of the Lil Buddy. And as for your question between a 10" or a 12", between the Lil' Buddy and its aforementioned 12" bigger brother, the Cannabis Rex, a 12" will tend to have more low-end response than a 10" and later break-up, but more overall projection of sound.

So again, as Rick pointed out, speaker preference is highly subjective. When it comes to your making the choice between the 10 and the 12, it'd really depend on what kind of sound YOU want to get out of your amp. If you have the chance to try each of them respectively, jump on it. That'll be the most sure-fire way of finding out which tone you like better.

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Last Edited by HawkeyeKane on May 07, 2013 10:11 AM
Slimharp
5 posts
May 07, 2013
10:23 AM
thanks for the great replies. I think I will use 2 Lil Buddies and 2 of the original eminence and see how she smokes.
Rick Davis
1773 posts
May 07, 2013
10:33 AM
Tim, have you tried these two speakers?

Here is a video of Ronnie Shellist playing through a 12-inch Eminence Cannabis Rex speaking in my Mission 32-20 amp.



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Rick Davis
1774 posts
May 07, 2013
10:35 AM
"thanks for the great replies. I think I will use 2 Lil Buddies and 2 of the original eminence and see how she smokes."

Slimharp- good call. That is what I use in my Bassman. Killer tone.

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Last Edited by Rick Davis on May 07, 2013 10:35 AM
HawkeyeKane
1661 posts
May 07, 2013
10:53 AM
@Rick

Me personally, I've tried a Buddy. Liked how it sounded with my 'Zoo.

C-Rex...not personally, but a friend of mine has one in the cab for his Bogen head. To me when he blew through it, it was rich, on the cleaner side, and low-ended. Course the amp may have been a contributor.
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Tblues1
32 posts
May 07, 2013
1:07 PM
Have 2 Lil Buddies in my Mission Amps Chicago 50 and I'm vey happy with the choice.
arnenym
138 posts
May 07, 2013
1:38 PM
This is my Version of VHT for Harp. A "princetonish"
Mod and it have a Warehouse Veteran 10 16 ohm..
ITS NOT A PROFESSIONAL MADE CLIP!!
Its not even good amateur made clip. I stumble on words and play a lot of sour notes.
BUT THE SPEAKER SOUND GOOD.

Last Edited by arnenym on May 07, 2013 1:39 PM
Rick Davis
1776 posts
May 07, 2013
2:38 PM
arnenym, is that you in the video? If so, we look alike and dress the same.

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Last Edited by Rick Davis on May 07, 2013 3:03 PM
Rick Davis
1777 posts
May 07, 2013
3:06 PM
You guys are probably getting tired of hearing Nic Clark play, but here he is playing my VHT Special 6 with the Eminence Lil Buddy speaker. He was 14 years old at the time.



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puri
74 posts
May 07, 2013
10:06 PM
@Rick, thanks a lot, for the first time I can totally related to the terms that somebody uses to describe a charactor of the speaker! I mean the same words mean the same thing for you and me. It's the smokiness and the tonal balance that was in my mind when I asked you but just wanted to hear from somebody who has used it. It seems to be the charactor of the hemp cone speaker? Something like it's crunchy but the crunch kinda hiding behind the smokiness that evens out the tonal balance?

I know it's silly to keep asking about the speaker while the only way to find out is to hear them live but if I buy the new one again there'll be two sitting in boxes in the corner of the room so I'm tryin' to be careful with it.

I have a feeling that it'll be a great speaker that I probably don't like the best, because I'm wired but I know my taste :) I know that bass & mid low are important but I just love the mid high to come out in the front, I just like it a bit exposed. Honkiness & crunch are parts of the musical for a harp amp for me. Mmm I don't know, things to think about but thanks so much for a very useful info. Ah,and sorry Slimharp to slightly hijacking your thread!
Rick Davis
1781 posts
May 08, 2013
7:09 AM
Puri, some speakers have an OW sound (as in "owl" or "ouch") and others have an OH sound. I think you might be looking for the OW sound. I hear that in some alnico speakers. Hard to say what speaker is best. You just need to listen to a lot of tone examples and find one that matches the sound in your head.

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HawkeyeKane
1663 posts
May 08, 2013
8:10 AM
It'd be awesome if more music stores in the world could build a tone-wall like Megatone has. It'd make choosing speakers a much easier process.


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Hawkeye Kane
puri
76 posts
May 08, 2013
9:04 AM
@Rick, again, a spot on term! Yeah, I think you're right - the OW sound!

@Hawk, if me & my buddy keep going like this in five years time we definitely wil have something like that. It's an expensive hobby!


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