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Philosofy
290 posts
Nov 24, 2009
6:56 PM
I'm just learning 3rd position. What are some good songs to jam to (and what keys are they in?)

Thanks all!
ZackPomerleau
467 posts
Nov 24, 2009
7:12 PM
There is some Little Walter stuff that is easy. Minor Swing by Django Reinhardt, etc.
scrybe314
30 posts
Nov 24, 2009
7:52 PM
"Summertime" in Dm is how I learned 3rd position.

The other really good 3rd pos. song I know is "Marmoset > Baked Potato," Bm, on Jason Ricci's "Blood on the Road."
ZackPomerleau
468 posts
Nov 24, 2009
8:01 PM
Scrybe is right, Baked Potato is pretty easy but awesome.
Aussiesucker
448 posts
Nov 24, 2009
8:43 PM
St James Infirmiary is a good one. A straight tune which is easy in 3rd is Scarborough Fair. I use an A or an Ab harp ie key of Bm or Bbm.
Oliver
110 posts
Nov 24, 2009
9:11 PM
Any tips on the starting point for Minor Swing Zack? Would love to get that down.
ZackPomerleau
469 posts
Nov 24, 2009
9:17 PM
It is in A minor, so learn the A minor arppegio, also the D minor. That's for the main riff. Send me an email at Zack @ Zackpomerleau.com and I can give you some pointers on it. It's easy to solo on, the main riff is difficult-ish if you don't have low bends down.
GermanHarpist
697 posts
Nov 24, 2009
9:19 PM
The Godfather love theme starting on -3''.

"Would love to get that down." same here!

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Last Edited by on Nov 24, 2009 9:23 PM
LittleJoeSamson
145 posts
Nov 24, 2009
11:33 PM
"So What", Miles Davis, Dm . I use four different harps, including a C chromatic.

"Moondance", Van Morrison. G harp in Am and C harp.
mickil
653 posts
Nov 25, 2009
3:50 AM
GH,

If you want it, I've made a PDF tab of that tune that you can download from my YT channel. The notes are exactly the same as on the movie soundtrack.

There are only three videos on my channel, so it's easy to find.

Aside from that, as Zack alluded to, 3rd pos isn't too tricky as long as you can nail 3<''.
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Last Edited by on Nov 25, 2009 3:53 AM
GermanHarpist
699 posts
Nov 25, 2009
5:05 AM
Thanks mickil, I knew about that. However, the thing I was interested in was "Minor Swing". Should have made it clear.

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aka
10 posts
Nov 25, 2009
5:43 AM
Mickil

I've been in the woodshed with your tabs and video. The Godfather Love Theme is great practice for the bends! And its a pretty cool tune too. Thanks for putting it up.....a big benefit from lurking on this site!
mr_so&so
243 posts
Nov 25, 2009
7:32 AM
My complete repertoire in 3rd is St. James Infirmary and Summertime, although I also have the blues scale down. In one of his videos Zack did a little bit of "that Little George Smith stuff". If Zack or someone else is feeling benevolent, that would be good fodder for a YT lesson on third position. Certainly one that I'd appreciate.
sorin
105 posts
Nov 25, 2009
8:25 AM
One of the best version of the "Minor swing"
tookatooka
800 posts
Nov 25, 2009
8:47 AM
Yippee!!

I'm glad no-ones mentioned this one yet.

House of the Rising Sun.

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Last Edited by on Nov 25, 2009 8:51 AM
GamblersHand
99 posts
Nov 25, 2009
9:14 AM
Robert Cray's version of "Who's Been Talkin" (Howlin Wolf) has a nice and relatively easy 3rd position playing. Curtis Salgado on harp.
Oliver
112 posts
Nov 25, 2009
9:57 AM
Thanks Zack, I might take you up on the offer, cheers!

Sorin, nice vid.
scrybe314
31 posts
Nov 25, 2009
10:00 AM
Good call, tookatooka!

Thought of a couple more for you, Philosofy; "Impressions," the old jazz standard, but there's a key change from Dm to....I think Eb? Afro Blue also works really well in third. I think Ricci does it in Cm, I always preferred Em.
Jim Rumbaugh
118 posts
Nov 25, 2009
10:07 AM
At the club we have started doing Santana's Black Magic Woman in 3rd position.

Also , Aint No Sunshine When She's Gone.,
Tom Petty's, Last Dance with Mary Jane
Our favorite is a little known song called,"The Blues is My Business"
mickil
654 posts
Nov 25, 2009
11:25 AM
aka,

Thanks for the comment. It's a really nice feeling to know it's of use. Makes it worth the effort.

Back on topic: I don't think about 3rd pos as much as I should. Great thread to remedy that.
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ZackPomerleau
470 posts
Nov 25, 2009
11:29 AM
Mr so and so, can you show me what video that is? I can do a basic third position video later tonight :)
mr_so&so
244 posts
Nov 25, 2009
2:15 PM
Hey Zack, I think it was your YT on "Third Position Lesson (Major Scale)", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsWYq6W2V68, that I was thinking of. At the beginning you briefly mention Little Walter's third position chromatic stuff (not George Smith). Anyway, if you are willing, please demonstrate a little of what you can do with third position blues on diatonic. E.g., sounds to me that George Smith etc., use a lot of octaves in third position, but when I play around with it, they don't seem to sound right. Thanks!
Aussiesucker
452 posts
Nov 25, 2009
3:05 PM
Thanks mickil. Really like the way you shared the Godfather theme. Got your tabs in front of me now.
mickil
656 posts
Nov 25, 2009
3:12 PM
Thanks, Aussie. It's a great tune to learn and, at one point, uses all three 3 draw bends in succession. One hell of a workout.
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DanP
101 posts
Nov 25, 2009
3:56 PM
She's 19 years Old- Muddy Waters; Teenage Beat- Little Walter; Snatch It Back and Hold It- Junior Wells; Telephone Blues- George "Harmonica" Smith; She's My Baby- Kim Wilson; Young Fashioned Ways- Muddy Waters/Little Walter; Poor Wayfaring Stranger- Traditional folk song. All of the above played in 3rd position.

Last Edited by on Nov 25, 2009 4:01 PM
RyanMortos
494 posts
Nov 25, 2009
3:59 PM
Re. mickil's tab of Love Theme from The Godfather:

Holy heck you can say that's a work out again! Especially between bar 10 and 13. Funny how what might seem easy on a C harp needs work on a Bb, heh. I'm adding this to my practice routine and if I ever get it maybe I'll post it for you to critique mickil :) .

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Pennsylvania - H.A.R.P. (Harmonica Association 'Round Philly)
mickil
657 posts
Nov 25, 2009
4:09 PM
Ryan,

I'll look forward to your take on it. If you can crack bb. 11-12, you've got the whole thing in the bag.
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ZackPomerleau
471 posts
Nov 25, 2009
4:41 PM
So and So, I will make a video showing some old 'blues' stuff and then going into basic theory and show some of the "Ricci" esque stuff.
LittleJoeSamson
146 posts
Nov 25, 2009
4:47 PM
One that always gets good audience response is Steely Dan's "Do It Again", where I do that unusual synth solo in Em. I run it very clean and add some delay and tremolo.
Silvertone
5 posts
Nov 25, 2009
5:06 PM
"Last Night" George "Harmonica" Smith , "Miss You" Sugar Blue(SB played on a D). G harp. "The Thrill Is Gone" B.B. King, B minor . "Monkey On A Limb" , Steve Guyger "Christo Redemptor" Charlie Musselwhite, Bb harp. "Locomotive Breath" Jethro Tull,Em.
tombo
14 posts
Nov 26, 2009
4:55 PM
What is third position can you play third on major keys ?
MrVerylongusername
658 posts
Nov 26, 2009
5:30 PM
3rd position is using a harp labelled 2 semitones below the music key, so playing in D using a C harp for instance. It sounds great for minor keys, but major is possible.
ZackPomerleau
474 posts
Nov 26, 2009
5:54 PM
Tombo, check this out: ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsWYq6W2V68
It has some major third position.
Andrew
778 posts
Nov 26, 2009
5:57 PM
tombo,
third is usually played minor due to the middle octave where the 4,5,6 draw are (on a c harp) DFA, the D minor chord. You need the 5 OB for a major melody, so major is usually ignored. You could play in D major easily on the bottom octave, but there are better positions if you want to play in a major key (i.e. 1st, or 2nd or 12th).
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Last Edited by on Nov 26, 2009 5:58 PM
LittleJoeSamson
147 posts
Nov 26, 2009
7:51 PM
Another classic: " All My Lovin' ", as done by Mayall & the Bluesbreakers.
Main riff in Gm ( F harp 3rd po. ), then modulates to G major, then back to Gm.
You can switch from harp to harp, or play F or C, or work it out on a straight G harp.
jawbone
171 posts
Nov 27, 2009
9:57 AM
Is "G'mornin' Little Schoolgirl" considered 3rd? That one had me baffled for awhile. We play it in D and I use my C. We more or less follow the Johnny Lang version.
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jawbone
172 posts
Nov 27, 2009
1:54 PM
Thanks Z - Sonnyboys version? I haven't listened to it lately.

Unchain my Heart works nice in 3rd.
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