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WestVirginiaTom
61 posts
Oct 03, 2012
3:34 AM
What is the proper pronunciation of “Seydel”? (Perhaps one of our posters from Deutschland can answer.)

1. rhymes with "ladle"
2. rhymes with "idle"
3. sigh-DELL
4. say-DELL

I have most often heard it pronounced like #3. Is that correct?
Nisei
7 posts
Oct 03, 2012
3:49 AM
I use #2 but ich spreche deutsch nicht so gut. I'll ask my wife, we'll get the Baverian pronunciation.
NiteCrawler .
203 posts
Oct 03, 2012
3:58 AM
I have heard the German gent from the Harpsucker vids pronounce it the # 2 way.
AirMojo
311 posts
Oct 03, 2012
4:12 AM
I've heard it pronounced as "SIGH-del" or "ZIGH-del" with the emphasis on the 1st syllable, both rhyming with "idle".
RyanMortos
1349 posts
Oct 03, 2012
4:32 AM
Same as AirMojo, I've heard both SIGH-del and ZIGH-del. I'm leaning towards the later.

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laurent2015
438 posts
Oct 03, 2012
4:42 AM
The 4th is à la french; german would be "sigh-dl".
GMaj7
99 posts
Oct 03, 2012
6:29 AM
.. Just say.. "I'll have one of them there 1847 jobbers.. in fact.. gimme 4.. " then, nobody cares if you can it Siihdaile

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laurent2015
439 posts
Oct 03, 2012
6:50 AM
Harp-er: curious, because it's the same on Venus: with a bit more atmosphere pressure and 500 C°, they don't articulate very well.
CarlA
127 posts
Oct 03, 2012
7:26 AM
Super-Cali-fragil-istic-expi-ali-docious
WestVirginiaTom
62 posts
Oct 03, 2012
7:25 AM
Thanks guys! It looks like the consensus is #2!

@laurent2015: Don't the harps deform at 500 C°?
ElkRiverHarmonicas
1308 posts
Oct 03, 2012
7:35 AM
It rhymes with "idle," that's the non-German way of pronouncing it. The Germans of Seydel and probably all other Germans as well, pronounce it "Zidle."



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kudzurunner
3555 posts
Oct 03, 2012
8:11 AM
I can give you a definitive answer. I visited the Seydel factory in Klingenthal and talked to a dozen people who worked there.

They pronounce it "SIGH-dle." There's a strong stress on the first syllable. They half-swallow the second syllable, so that the "L" sound curls into the back of the tongue.
kudzurunner
3557 posts
Oct 03, 2012
8:14 AM
Actually, Harper's phonetic spelling is very close to what I heard at the factory. Zydl.
laurent2015
441 posts
Oct 03, 2012
8:33 AM
Zo, now we are zure.
bluemoose
798 posts
Oct 03, 2012
8:51 AM
No, a zure is a type of mick-ro-phoney.

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Frank
1254 posts
Oct 03, 2012
9:18 AM


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ElkRiverHarmonicas
1309 posts
Oct 03, 2012
10:08 AM
I've worked with these guys for years, Harper and Adam are correct. The accent is on the first syllable, so is the first syllable accented on idle. But as Adam pointed out, the first syllable is very, very accented.
In the English-speaking world, you could set the official English-speakers' pronunciation with how Seydel USA pronounces it. THey say "SIGH-del"
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kudzurunner
3558 posts
Oct 03, 2012
10:32 AM
There's one key takeaway point from this thread: Seydel is NOT pronounced "sigh-DELL." If we can just keep that front and center, this thread will have served its purpose.
HarpNinja
2729 posts
Oct 03, 2012
10:46 AM
Airmojo nailed it...

SIGH-del

or

ZIGH-del if you're nasty.
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
1310 posts
Oct 03, 2012
12:04 PM
There was a German-language DVD Seydel put out on their 160 anniversary. I edited it for youtube and put it up, Bertram Becher has it on his channel now. Around 1:25, you can hear how "C.A. Seydel Sohne GMBH" is pronounced by Germans.
If it wasn't instantly obvious from the tone, the guy playing harp is Igor Flach.
Y'all might think it's cool, from viewing these scenes, to work on the line in a harmonica factory. It is just that cool! For about 5 minutes. Part of my training at HH was working on the line for about two weeks, so I could know what the hell I was talking about. It is the most mind-numbing, hair-pulling out, boring job you could possibly imagine.


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Last Edited by on Oct 03, 2012 12:07 PM
sammyharp
198 posts
Oct 03, 2012
12:50 PM
The 's' is spoken like a 'z', and the 'ey' makes a long 'i' sound. The 'del' is like 'dle'. So if you want to be really acurate, it's like idle with a z added at the beginning, and a longer I sound. The accent is on the first syllable. I'm an american who's been living in germany for 7 years now, and speak fluent, almost accent free german. I understand the struggle of figuring out how to pronounce words. German is actually very easy to pronounce once you get a grasp of the sounds of the language. It pretty much always follows the same rules. There are hardly any words that break them, unlike english.
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
1311 posts
Oct 03, 2012
1:35 PM
I lived in Austria for a while when I was in college. My German had a definite southern twang to it.
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rbeetsme
846 posts
Oct 03, 2012
6:01 PM
I used to pronounce it "Weltmeister", and later, "Bushman", but I think it's Seydel only now. BTW: Am I the only one who isn't enamored with the tone of stainless reeds?
sammyharp
199 posts
Oct 04, 2012
2:24 PM
Its also a regional thing if its closer to a z or s sound.
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