Is anyone selling Kinder Antifeedback or knows how to get in touch with the guys form the company? I sent them a couple of emails and tried to call them a lot of times, but no one is responding.
Good luck with that. Persistence in calling Kinder in the continuous hope you get lucky or putting in a Saved Search on Ebay are pretty much your only options. If you locate one on Ebay be aware that lately they have been going for more than the retail price from Kinder, a result of being so hard to come by. They do appear from time to time. Once in a blue moon someone will offer one here or on Harp-L but again they get snapped up very quickly.
If it's any consolation there are in fact mixed views as to its usefulness. In my experience, and a view held by a slight majority, it will for sure help with feedback but not necessarily eliminate it in all situations. You can't kill physics. It will get you more volume but not a huge amount. It will affect tone, to a greater or lesser degree depending on how much time you spend setting it up.
Bottom line to me is that if you have a really good harp amp with enough power to handle your normal gigging situation, the correct tube compliment, and your technique is on par you don't really need one. However, they are very useful for taming amps you are forced to use when on tour or at a jam or for getting a bit more control over a great sounding but low powered amp that you have on the edge most of the time. ---------- LSC
Not out officially yet it would seem judging by the Lone Wolf website. There was info on the Lone Wolf Forum about the pedal and the reasons for some delays in getting it into production: http://lonewolfblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=681
So perhaps Jason has the/a prototype for testing? Definitely the right cat for the job ;)
@MoonCar - Could you give a comparison? Obviously you feel the Harp Shield is superior. Could you give us an idea what it does better or whatever? ---------- LSC
Jason tried it out during a pedal workshop at Bean Blossom, and it seemed to be an effective substitute. Jason said it was the first that he had tried it, and he seemed impressed. He had been playing through a Kinder shortly before switching over to the Lone Wolf Harp Shield.
It is not a copy of the Kinder, rather it is a different approach to the same end. It did not seem to impact tone. I am looking forward to the pedal being released.
I thoroughly enjoyed Jason's workshop, his stage playing, and his having hung out at the Saturday night Cabin 12 jam. ----------
The Harp Shield was at SPAH...$125 and on sale for $100, I think. My understanding was it was originally part noise gate and parametric EQ. It has one knob and is yellow in color.
Honestly, I didn't try it as I don't need one and would have compulsively bought one had it worked, lol.
I had developed a noise gate/eq using a POD HD that was fantastic at squashing feedback and not killing tone. The problem was it was hard to adjust on the fly and took up a lot of working memory from the unit.
At any rate, noise gates rule if you are playing loud enough for feedback. They suck if you are trying to be more dynamic (or are trying to do a solo looping thing).
I am not saying the Harp Shield ended up being a noise gate/eq as I don't know. That is just what he had said on his forum at one point. ---------- Mike VHT Special 6 Mods Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas - When it needs to come from the soul...
Doug and Harp Ninjas assecement were right on the money. It doesn't boost/distort/compress tone the way the Kinder does. I happened to love the way the Kinder did that for one! I think I used it more for that(tone change) than even the feed bad suppression. By combining the Lone Wolf Harp Shield and the Lone Wolf Harp Break, I feel I was able to produce the better results with The LW combo vs. the Kinder afb because I could tweak the distortion to my tastes more accurately with the harp break also I could get MORE feed back fighting from the LW Shield. Later that night I used for the first time on stage the Harp Shield over the AFB. This was the tone. The LW Shield will be available any day...Hurricane Issaac set it back a minute...I imagine emailiing or calling Randy at Lone Wold would put you first on the very short list. Also Lone Wolf CO. has one of the best return policies in the biz and Randy and his wife are some of the kindest most caring people I have ever Here is the harp shield and harp break in action with an HG. 50 for the record I am also using a BBE optical Compressor (which Lone Wolf will be making soon we hope) and a BBE sonic Maximizer. Meow n stuff. Jason met.
http://youtu.be/igNJ7scTNeQ
Last Edited by on Sep 04, 2012 11:30 AM
My understanding is that it includes a noise gate with a threshold knob, but I don't know about any other elements that would make it particularly harp friendly, as opposed to a guitar noise gate. The foot button is a reset, I think.
Edit Jason posted while I was typing. I am embedding his video.
there's no such thing a s "kinder anti feedback". take it easy baby, take it as it comes". ---------- Sun, sun, sun Burn, burn, burn Soon, soon, soon Moon, moon, moon
I recently got a Kinder. I have used it quite successfully with my bass harp at many gigs. I recorded chromatic for a CD session using just the kinder and a cigarette case amp. Sounded great and loud.
I have used it once at a gig and it took a lot of trials to find the right volume.
My last gig I really wanted to use it with The Kalu James Band but I parked my amp right next to the drummer. Every time he hit a certain drum, there was a crackle. I had no time to trouble shoot. I switched it out for another mic I have that never feeds back and get get screaming loud. No problem.
Has anyone else experienced the Kinder/drummer crackle? Do I need to park my amp away from the drummer to use this box?
@Michael - If the only change was switching mics wouldn't that suggest that the mic not the Kinder was the problem? I set my amp right next to the drummer and have even put the Kinder on the floor a couple of time and have never had a problem with any noises caused by the kit, either with a Kinder going into a Zoo or the Avenger on its own. You know it might have been something as simple as the plug not being shoved in quite all the way or the screw connector (if you use one) not quite tight. There was just some weird frequency that was causing something to vibrate creating the crackle sound. When you changed mics you may have got something tight that was loose before.
Getting the Kinder dialed in is very much trial and error and seems to take a few tries. And you are aware you have to set it up differently for different mics?
BTW, be sure to check the battery voltages before you got out to a gig or a session. Check every time. These damn pedals always start screwing up big time long before any low voltage warning signals or lights come on. That can really be a pain in the ass. ---------- LSC
