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Steamrollin Stan
523 posts
Aug 21, 2012
3:36 AM
Who is playing the harp? i have this old cd track i got from limewire ages ago, i think it's LW but the harp is a killer, i reckon its a 12 hole low C or something, i want one of these, help appreciated and sorry for any ignorance regarding old time players, i think you'll know what i mean.

Last Edited by on Aug 21, 2012 3:37 AM
5F6H
1322 posts
Aug 21, 2012
1:13 PM
Little Walter only recorded a song called Kansas City with Robert Nighthawk, but I suspect that is different song to the one you mean, which I suspect is the Leiber & Stoller song made popular by Wilbert Harrison ("I'm going to Kansas City, Kansas City here I come...").

Muddy recorded this song with Paul Butterfield on the Woodstock album, then later with Jerry Portnoy on harp live in Poland, in Montreal Canada, in Nice France, Harry Hope's Chicago (most of these feature Pinetop Perkins also on vocals), with Dizzie Gillespie on trumpet (doesn't sound like that version).

Basically, Muddy wasn't recorded doing the song until after Little Walter had passed away.

James Cotton also guests with Muddy's band on one version, which included Jerry Portnoy at the time,...perhaps the most likely candidate?

Is this the version?


...or, maybe this?



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Last Edited by on Aug 21, 2012 1:33 PM
Rhartt1234
63 posts
Aug 21, 2012
3:19 PM
Kansas City was a staple of the 70s Muddy Waters Band with Pinetop sharing vocals. Jerry Portnoy played the tune in third position on a Bb harp.
sonvolt13
117 posts
Aug 21, 2012
3:25 PM
Butterfield played it the same way on the Woodstock album: Bb in 3rd.
Steamrollin Stan
524 posts
Aug 22, 2012
12:03 AM
thank you all, this is the info i needed.
Steamrollin Stan
525 posts
Aug 22, 2012
12:24 AM
Man, my Bb harp sp20 sounds nothin like these.Muddy is such a cool dude, charisma plus!!!!
5F6H
1323 posts
Aug 22, 2012
2:21 AM
@ Stan - The harp solo in the first YT clip is in 1st position (I suspect this is the Cotton w/Muddy Waters band version - Perkins, Margolin, Johnson, Jones, Smith).
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tmf714
1209 posts
Aug 22, 2012
7:43 AM
That is not Cotton playing on the first clip-it's Portnoy or Oscher.

Here is a clip of Cotton with Muddy and Johnny Winter-

5F6H
1324 posts
Aug 22, 2012
8:35 AM
@ TMF714 - You could be right regarding Portnoy, but Oscher is not attributed with any recordings of that song with Muddy (TBH neither officially is Cotton) and Jerry usually played that in 3rd not 1st (sounds a bit 'harem scarem' for Jerry too?). There is video footage floating about of a session with the 70's Muddy Waters band, where Cotton guests for a couple of numbers (inc. KC), he borrows Portnoy's Shure Bullet & uses the tweed 4x10" bassman that Jerry uses for the rest of the gig.

Edit - The video with Cotton playing is titled Blues at the Forum, Cotton joins the band after having played a set with his own band - Cotton plays in 3rd. So TMF714 could well be right about Jerry playing first position in the YT clip posted.
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