Littoral
378 posts
Oct 02, 2011
7:44 AM
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Boss DM-2 is what I need. I have determined that.
Note: I scowl at anything between me and the tubes but I'm back to playing out and I need delay.
My question is what do I need to consider in terms of differences between year/colors/country of origin... ect?
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Littoral
379 posts
Oct 02, 2011
9:15 AM
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All I've found so far is the first had black labels on the bottom and the later (DM-2) has a green label.
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Albey
15 posts
Oct 02, 2011
9:50 AM
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I have the DM-3 and it is by far the best Delay Pedal I have ever used. I have both of the Lone Wolf Delay pedals and they are not even close. They both rob sound and the DM-3 may actually add a bit. The only problem with it is they no longer make a Power Adapter for the older models that need unregulated power. I am thinking of doing the mod to mine that is at the following link so I can use the PSA power supplies.
Modifying old Boss ACA pedals to PSA specs
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Thanks,
Albey Scholl
The Shadows
Blind Willies Blues Club
Atlanta, GA
http://www.blindwilliesblues.com/
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5F6H
869 posts
Oct 02, 2011
9:51 AM
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Copied from Bossarea.com...
"Version differences
There are at least 3 different versions of the DM-2. The first version was using the MN3005 BBD. This was soon changed to the low current version of the same circuit called MN3205. It is worth noting that the MN3005 has a SN ratio of 75 dB while the MN3205 is a little more noisy with its 67dB. The MN3205 only produces 0.8% distortion compared to 1% for the MN3005.
The DM-2 can be approximately dated by reading the number on the compander IC NE570N. It should have a 4 digit number giving you the year and month of production in the form YYMM. Note that this is the production date of the integrated chip and not of the pedal but it's unlikely that the chips were stored for very long before used.
DM-2
Marking of PCB: ET-5214-510
BBD: MN3005
Clock Driver: MN3101
DM-2A
Marking of PCB: ET-5214-510A
BBD MN3205
Clock Driver: MN3102
DM-2B
Marking of PCB: ET-5214-510B
BBD: MN3205
Clock Driver: MN3102"
The reality is you are looking to buy a desirable pedal that hasn't been made for 30 odd years, most folks who have them don't want to let them go, those that do want to let them go want lots of money...so if you specifically want a DM2 (not sure quite why this is your only option) you can only buy what comes on to the market...if you're too fussy you may never end up with one.
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Tuckster
888 posts
Oct 02, 2011
10:24 AM
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@Albey: I have a DM3. You can power it with a One Spot-no problem.
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Littoral
380 posts
Oct 02, 2011
10:38 AM
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5F6H: (not sure quite why this is your only option)
90% of reviews I read and listen to say the same thing, the DM-2 sounds the best. I know you know what you're talking about so what do you think is comparable? A key for me is how well the repeats blend on sustained notes, particularly octaves. Two reviews I listened to clearly demonstrated the difference.
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Albey
16 posts
Oct 02, 2011
10:42 AM
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@Tuckster: I use the One Spot and it powers it but the light is too dim to see on stage. I can never tell if it is on or not. I use just enough Delay to give me a bit more depth in the sound but not enough to actually hear the effect. When I set it there is no one in the club so I can hear it but when the band is cranked I have to rely on the light. Then I have the problem of the Bass player stepping on my power cord going to my power strip. If he hits it the power strip goes off just for second, which doesn’t affect my amp but it turns off the One Spot hence turning off the Delay.
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Thanks,
Albey Scholl
The Shadows
Blind Willies Blues Club
Atlanta, GA
http://www.blindwilliesblues.com/
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Tuckster
889 posts
Oct 02, 2011
10:51 AM
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Yes, I have the same problem with the dim light. And like you,I just turn it up enough to fatten my sound. All I can say is-it works. Don't know what to do about your bass player's big feet. LOL
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5F6H
870 posts
Oct 02, 2011
11:03 AM
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"90% of reviews I read and listen to say the same thing, the DM-2 sounds the best. I know you know what you're talking about so what do you think is comparable?"
On a matter of personal taste, I'm one of the 10% who is not a DM-2 fan, so I can't really offer any advice on alternatives. Nevertheless, the situation remains the same, if you want one you only have the choice of those that appear on the used market.
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Joe_L
1492 posts
Oct 02, 2011
11:35 AM
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I know what you mean. I went out a few nights ago. The band had a harp player in it. He sounded pretty good, but something was missing. I finally figured it out and said to myself, "what a shame, if only he was using a Boss DM-2, he would sound dramatically better."
Do you really notice a subtle difference when you are on stage in a band setting?
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Littoral
381 posts
Oct 02, 2011
1:48 PM
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Joe L, I raised the question about possible differences. I'm looking for the gear that I want. I hear the difference. Tone Tone Tone The DM-2 is the one that I HEAR with the most accurate repeat.
tmf714, thanks, yeah, I saw them on eBay and the $ is crazy. That's why, IF I try to buy one, I wanted to learn more about the model differences.
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Albey
17 posts
Oct 02, 2011
2:59 PM
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As far as I am concerned the important thing is that it is Analog. I have had DM-2’s and DM-3’s and could hear no difference in them. They both sound the same with a warm delay sound and slightly distorted decay, just what you want for Harp. If you can hear a difference in the DM-2 compared to the DM-3 then more power to you. Now if you are buying it for the collectible aspect than the DM-2 is the pedal you will want but expect to pay a lot more for it. But if all you are really interested in is a great sound at a much better price the DM-3 is the one you want. By the way the Analog chips that were made back then were the best. I use an old Analog Delay in our sound system at the club. It is great for my Sax and also if I want to add it to the Vocals.
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Thanks,
Albey Scholl
The Shadows
Blind Willies Blues Club
Atlanta, GA
http://www.blindwilliesblues.com/
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Littoral
382 posts
Oct 02, 2011
3:23 PM
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Albey,
I do like the collectable, being the vintage junkie I am.
That said, it's a pedal, I don't care and I am willing to try the DM-3. I think I know where one is to check out.
BTW, Atlanta, I met Paul Linden back before he played with Felix and the Cats. I recall your name from him.
And, of course, Sean Costello - sitting in with Felix.
Thanks for the advice.
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Joe_L
1494 posts
Oct 02, 2011
3:43 PM
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Can you hear the difference on stage in a band setting?
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Littoral
383 posts
Oct 02, 2011
6:49 PM
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Joe L,
Yes, I hear it.
Have a beer. Move on.
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Albey
18 posts
Oct 02, 2011
9:54 PM
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Littoral,
I totally understand the Vintage thing especially when it comes to amps. Not only does it look cool on stage it sounds great (when it works). LOL Seriously though the Boss Analog Delay Pedals are built like tanks and most of them will probably outlive both of us. You will not go wrong with either the DM-2 or the DM-3 so don’t get hung up on the serial numbers or what color the plate on the back of it is. Just enjoy the great sound. Get one now that gets you the sound and then look for the investment quality one (at your price), when someone is desperate.
As far as Paul Linden goes what can I say, he is just an incredible player! I have been playing in Atlanta since 1976 and have given lessons to a few different players over the years. I was quite flattered that some people thought that Paul was one of my students. As much as I would have liked to take credit for how great he sounds I had to straighten them out. Paul did it all on his own and is kicking some serious ass doing so! He is a great guy to boot!
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Thanks,
Albey Scholl
The Shadows
Blind Willies Blues Club
Atlanta, GA
http://www.blindwilliesblues.com/
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