Jim Rumbaugh
453 posts
Mar 28, 2011
6:14 PM
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This is a non-blues style question. Think old ragtime music.
The chord progression is 1-6-2-5.
I have also seen it called 6-2-5-1.
There are no minor chords, but dominant 7 chords can be used.
Think of tunes like "Sweet Geogia Brown" or "Has Anybody Seen My Gal", written in the key of G, the first chord is E. The chord changes are E A D G. (that is why some people call it a 6-2-5-1 pattern). I want to look at the E, A , D and say it's a 1-4-5 in the key of A with a G thrown in, but it's not. It's in G.
SOOOOOO. What position would you use? Cross harp with a major pentatonic kinda works. I have used 12th with some success. I have not tried 1st.
Please give some directions and opinions
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intermediate level (+) player per the Adam Gussow Scale, Started playing 2001
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Jehosaphat
26 posts
Mar 28, 2011
7:15 PM
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I'd use a D harp.That way all the notes you need are almost all in the first four holes.
E (third position)you have the major seventh on draw 4 and 1(bent)
A (second) major seventh 2 hole half bend
D (first) major seventh on 3draw
G 12th position but it lays out nicely with a tonic on the 5 draw and the major seventh in three blow holes.
I think what i'm trying to say is that i would just play a D harp in third with an added G scale.
I just tried it on a midi of Georgia and found that approach worked well
Betcha someone will come out with a better way of doing it:-)
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ElkRiverHarmonicas
606 posts
Mar 29, 2011
4:18 AM
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Salty Dog also is a 1,6,2,5...
Wouldn't the sixth chord be a minor chord? I wonder how you're supposed to call it if you have a major sixth instead?
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"There are only two things money can't buy - true love and homegrown tomatoes." - Lewis Grizzard
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Michael Rubin
119 posts
Mar 29, 2011
4:52 AM
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There are lots of songs based on Rhythm Changes that have dominant 6th chords and 2 chords.
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Jim Rumbaugh
454 posts
Mar 29, 2011
3:17 PM
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@Jehosaphat "I'd use a D harp"
For the example I wrote, Key of G, that is 12th position. That's what I'm using so far. Thanks
@Dave "Wouldn't the sixth chord be a minor chord? "
As soon as the 6th chord goes minor eveything changes and I play 2nd position. Then it's the clasic "Heart and Soul" sound.
@Michael "There are lots of songs based on Rhythm Changes "
Thanks, I read about this chord progression called Rhythm Changes while doing research. It's the first time I have heard the phrase "Rhythm Changes"
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intermediate level (+) player per the Adam Gussow Scale, Started playing 2001
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GamblersHand
261 posts
Mar 30, 2011
5:28 AM
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Jim
I use 2nd position - songs like "Wonderful Time" (SBW 1) "They're Red Hot" "Shake Hands and Tell Me Goodbye" use similar progressions and work well in this position
Good to have your intonation down on the 3 draw double-step bend for these songs in cross harp.
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Jim Rumbaugh
455 posts
Mar 30, 2011
9:43 AM
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@Gambler "Good to have your intonation down on the 3 draw double-step bend "
Thanks for the feedback. I'm a little confused by the term Double-Step bend. I ussually think of the 3 hole in terms of 1 half step, 2 half steps (whole step), or 3 half steps (1&1/2 steps). Would you please describe this in "my terms".
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intermediate level (+) player per the Adam Gussow Scale, Started playing 2001
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swampboy
43 posts
Mar 30, 2011
9:57 AM
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I'm guessing he means bending the 3 draw 2 half steps. That would be the root note for the II chord in 2nd position.
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GamblersHand
262 posts
Mar 30, 2011
1:01 PM
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@Jim
Sorry I make up my terminology as I go along - yes, swampboy is right, I mean the whole-step bend, the root note of the II and the fifth of the V
It's of course difficult to play with much variety over this progression if you tend to avoid this note
One way to look at the progression is that it's pretty much
2nd - 4th - 5th - 3rd
in terms of positions when basing it on 2nd position as your starting point
This would tend to indicate that the VI and II are minor chords - in my experience the VI tends to be minor (a flat-second in the scale is very discordant) and the II is either. If it's major then you use the 4 draw bend rather than the 4 blow against the chord.
Last Edited by on Mar 30, 2011 1:02 PM
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