isaacullah
1432 posts
Mar 06, 2011
10:32 AM
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Well, I learned a few things while out busking yesterday, and I thought it would be cool if we had a thread where forum members could collect all the little bits of wisdom they've acquired about busking.
Here's what I found out yesterday:
1) I was playing at a street fair that had a fairly heavy presence of children. I discovered that a) kids relaly like harmonica, and b) they like to beg their parents for a dollar to put in your hat, and the parents will almost ALWAYS give them a buck to do so! I think that parents see this as a good "teaching moment" for their child, to teach them how to be generous or something. Anyway, I made almost all my cash off of kids putting dollar bills they got from their parents.
2) I was at the fair because my wife had rented a booth in which to sell some of the jewelry and embroidered shirts and stuff that she makes (she's awesome at it!), and I set up to busk just across the way from her booth. What I mean to say that this is the first time she has seen me play in a public setting. Not only did she think I sounded good, but she saw me pull in quite a bunch of dollar bills! She feels a bit differently about my "harmonica obsession" after that! My point here is that, at least for me, "proving my worth" to my spouse in a real-world setting has made a great deal of difference to the level of understanding my spouse now has for my love-affair with the harp.
3) After a little while, I was approached by a couple of deputy sheriffs, and was told I couldn't play. I politely said I was sorry, and immediately gathered up my stuff. They left then me alone, with no legal trouble, and I went back to my manning my wife's booth. That proved to me that if you just do what the cops ask you to do, and don't try to go down the street and set up again, they won't really hassle you.
Okay, that's just a couple of things I picked up yesterday. Let's hear from all you other buskers and old timers out there about all the great tips you got while playing on the street (pun intended!)!
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apskarp
421 posts
Mar 06, 2011
10:40 AM
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Good tips Isaac! Perhaps next summer I'll finally take my first shot with busking..
ps. We're going to studio next weekend to record some of our stuff. I'll give you update later...
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waltertore
1157 posts
Mar 06, 2011
11:39 AM
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congragulations! It sounds like you had a great day. I have been playing the streets (never heard the word busking until recently) for 40 years both here and overseas. The few things I have learned are these:
check out the area first. If other people are playing, get to know them. Ideally you can find a shop that wants you to play. I played in front of this music store every summer of about 6 years. They owned the sidewalk so I was exempt from any police interference. I hate the permit thing. If that is what it takes to play somewhere I will pass. Too many hoops for me. The street IMO is the last free musical frontier and those kind of rules kill it for me. Get your gear as compact as possible because you most likely will be lugging it a long way. Find a place to park that doesn't make you pay. Feel out the vibe when you start. Get to be one with the scene. The sounds of the street make most give it up or try to play loud as they can to over ride it. I do the opposite. I get real quiet when I play and tune in on the sounds I am making. Soon these sounds sound huge, like I am going through a PA and the street sounds become my accompanyment. I never play to please the crowd. I play what I do and when people gather they come for me, not a puppet on a string. Most street performers remind me of those old wind up mechanical monkeys that clap cymbals together. I give people more credit than that and entice them vs. bombard them with all fast, loud, familiar songs. If you are going there to make money you would be better off panhandling or working at walmart so be yourself. I see the streets as a continually changing landscape. People, cars, truck, birds, dogs, flow by continually bringing all kinds of new energy for me to create songs. I do the same thing on the street as what I would do on a big festival. It all is the same thing to me. I have played in all climates:the snow and ice of brussels, the heat of texas, and the perfect weather of California. They all were great times and very needed to eat that day. Here I am in front of that music store in santa rosa,ca. Unfortunately the owner was not a good business person and dealt in illegal activities. That led to the closing of the place. I recorded a live cd the day of this picture. It even has a car crunch in it. The driver was watching me and didn't see the red light..... Be yourself, let it flow, and become one with the scene. That is the real deal IMO. Walter
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Jim Rumbaugh
431 posts
Mar 06, 2011
1:14 PM
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Here's my permit to play here in Huntington, WV. It's in the name of the club. The city likes us :)
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nacoran
3864 posts
Mar 06, 2011
2:06 PM
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Next time you need a permit! :)
The kid thing is so true! I helped a friend run a charity raffle where the prize was a fiberglass canoe worth a couple grand. We set up to sell tickets at an outdoor show. He wanted to use the canoe to hold all the organization's hand outs, but I realized it's potential as a prop. People would be walking by looking at all the booths. While their parents were looking at the next booth over I'd tell the kids to come over and pick up one end of the canoe with their little finger. Even the 5-year olds could do it. That got the parents interested. We sold over $3000 in tickets the first day!
Another good salesman trick I learned when I was a cub scout. We used to sell candy bars. I got my mom to take me up to the local campus and I worked the dining hall. I went up to every table where a guy and a girl were sitting together. Without fail the guy always bought the girl chocolate! I imagine with a little creativity that could be worked into a hook for busking. Learn a bunch of love songs with a girls name in them. The key isn't to learn one for every name, but at least one that you can sneak the girls name in. Charge guys to play a song for their girl! Play it, Sam!
Depending on the rules where you are playing you could merchandise too, especially somewhere like a fair where you are working by a booth. Buy some bright colored harmonicas and when the kids start grooving see if the parents will buy them one. (You could have some pricier ones too.) T-shirts, CD's,...
Another trick I learned when I went door to door for a charity was to seed the pot. People don't always know what is an appropriate amount to give. If you want to play for quarters, put some quarters in the hat. If you want to play for more, put some folding stuff in the hat. A few ones, a five, a twenty... that way people see they can give more if they want...
(I'm ashamed to say it, but we used to do this with checks. People would see their neighbors check for $100 on the clipboard and they had to outdo them. I heard a story about a guy who happened by a wedding reception and everyone got in a bidding war to give the most to charity!)
All my tricks are more general sales stuff, since I haven't busked yet, but they should probably all transfer pretty well.
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Aussiesucker
789 posts
Mar 06, 2011
3:11 PM
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This is a post I did over a year ago.
"After much procrastination & having finally run out of excuses, with licence in hand, and a bag of harps plus a tip bucket and water bottles, I went Busking.
My destination was Brisbane's Queen St Mall ie that was the only spot that the licence covered. The area I was allowed within was only a few hundred metres long. Strictly enforced rulings were that absolutely no form of amplification is allowed.
I started playing at around 10.30am & all was going great until about 25m away a large choir arrived with sanctioned heavy amplification gear, and a stage, and started singing Carols. I could no longer be heard. I couldn't hear myself!
So I moved away only to be sandwiched between a guy on a squeezebox and a guy on a saxaphone but was away from the choir. It was very iffy and my wife went by a couple of times and said that it was not possible to hear me. The Sax and the Squeezebox were easily heard and I would estimate that they had more volume than I could even get were I allowed to use my 10amp busking/practice amp.
As the day progressed it got busier and noisier, so after an hour I packed up.The takings would have in an hour or so of reasonable playing paid for the bus tickets, coffee and maybe some lunch. $10 an hour is not wide of the mark.
Will I do it again? Yes, it's a great experience. Good for practice? Yes somewhat, but more so for the practice of playing in public. It's a great insight into human nature ie those that put money in were the ones who looked as though they had nothing. I was not there for the money.
In all a great experience and one that I recommend all should try. It's really very easy and very forgiving."
Sadly I have yet to take my own advice to do it again. The big problem is not being able to use amplification & the bureaucratic red tape of having to audition to get a licence 3 months prior to the 1 month that the licence covers.
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oldwailer
1564 posts
Mar 06, 2011
4:50 PM
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I have learned that you need to take it a little easy on the water bottles--it's really a pain if you get a good roll going and suddenly you gotta pick up and go pee--then get back and somebody Cecilia'd your spot!
If you're not having fun--go home early--it's not like there's heavy money in it.
Sometimes you gotta get down and yell at other buskers if they steal your slot or step on your performance by playing too close to your pitch. It really has helped me a couple of times to be 6' 7" and weigh 315 pounds--of course, now that I'm a lot older--even puppies piss on my shoes.
It's like Isaac already said--play to the kids if you want to make expenses--they love the harp! I like to carry an old beater or two in the bag and let them look it over between songs and even blow it if they want to (I carry a sanitary spray to clean them with). When my wife sings with me around Xmas time, we carry those little candy canes and hand them to all the kids. You'll start seeing some 5 dollar tips if you get along with the kids.
Having a dog or two along with you will help tips a lot, if it's a place where it's OK to have them. I have a Beagle and a Sharpei and the two of them can lure in a lot of good tips if I just have them tied to the leg of my stool--they draw kids and older ladies like crazy.
I always have a sign out that says something like: "Part of all tips are donated to [favorite charity]." I think that helps with the tips too--of course, I really do donate to the charity mentioned.
Doesn't matter about your religious preferences--learn at least 3 or 4 standard Spirituals and play them a lot--at least where I go, people love to hear Amazing Grace--Wayfaring Stranger--Glory Glory--Hallelujah--Rank Strangers--etc. Maybe that's not right for you--but it has really worked for me--and I love that kind of music anyway. . .
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Honkin On Bobo
624 posts
Mar 06, 2011
4:53 PM
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Glad you had a great day! The only sour point is law enforcement coming by and telling you to shut down. I just don't understand that. If I were a cop, that's one I would look the other way on, unless someone complained to me. You handled it perfectly, but nonetheless, permits needed to entertain some people with music at a fair??? W-T-F!!!??? Is this what it's come to in this country? I get the requirements necessary if you're going to serve food to the public, but just to play a little music???....pisses me off unbelievably. The world is totally F'd.
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Miles Dewar
755 posts
Mar 06, 2011
6:23 PM
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Miles Dewar
756 posts
Mar 06, 2011
6:29 PM
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I'm sure there's a clear reason why permits are required.. I'm also sure a lot of buskers likely don't pay their taxes on the tips. So it could be a contribution to necessary government run programs that otherwise would not have been made. It would be nice to ask the government officials what the money will be contributing..... I'm sure if we heard exactly what the money was going towards, we would all have a different outlook on the permit issue. Yes?
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isaacullah
1435 posts
Mar 06, 2011
6:49 PM
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Hey wow! Lot's of great stories and tips! This is really great! The police hasslement was kind of drag because the street fair would have been way cooler with a lot more buskers (there were a few). It wasn't about noise, since all the buskers (including me) were playing acoustically, and there were a couple of official stages at the street fair anyway (one of them with bands playing some bargain-variety screamo-core punk-metal poorly and way too loudly), so I'm sure it had to do with "propriety". I prefer some other local events where there isn't any issue like that, but hey, the cops told me no, and I wasn't going to push it!
Let's keep the tips comin!
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Jim Rumbaugh
432 posts
Mar 06, 2011
7:17 PM
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June 17th and 18th, Central City Days in Huntington,WV. The merchants want me to line up street musicians to play on the street. Busking is allowed. Everyone gets $10/hour from the merchants to play, plus you keep tips.
We sat in groups of 2,3 and 4. Let me know if you want to join us. ALL SKILL LEVELS and styles are allowed.
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BronzeWailer
90 posts
Mar 12, 2011
1:55 PM
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I have been busking with a guy who plays slide guitar. Last night a 51-yr-old Liza Minnelli wannabe staggered across the street in her high heels and started dancing. That was fine, but she was sooo drunk that people started skirting around her (and the geetar case), so we had a long dry spell, tips-wise. She just wouldn't leave, but finally poured herself down the street after half an hour or more. In hindsight, we should have just stopped playing right away and let her continue to the casino.
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toddlgreene
2704 posts
Mar 12, 2011
2:18 PM
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Good thread. I guess it would make sense to have some kid-friendly tunes up your sleeve, too(twinkle twinkle little star, Barney, etc).
Anyone have an idea of what their local street performer permits cost, if anything?
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BronzeWailer
91 posts
Mar 12, 2011
2:27 PM
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Mine was $45 for a year (Sydney Australia local government area). no auditions
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Stickman
645 posts
Mar 12, 2011
6:33 PM
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Hey Isaac, You want to make more money from the kids? Learn to play the theme to SpongeBob Square Paints. Aie, Aie Captain 8^)
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Aussiesucker
794 posts
Mar 12, 2011
8:14 PM
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@ BronzeWailer
Licences in Brisbane are free, last a month, but need to audition and apply 3 months in advance. Also no form of amplification is allowed.
Often have seen buskers that snub their noses at the rules and use amps and probably don't bother with a licence .Most appear not to be locals but are passing through. Some are very good at what they do.
Being a local I figure it's best to not run foul of the stupid rules. Jumping through the bureaucratic hoops is a pain and for me a real deterrent.
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BronzeWailer
94 posts
Mar 12, 2011
9:32 PM
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@Aussiesucker. What a pain!
I can see you wouldn't want to bother with those rules. It's a shame. Too bad you can't play the inter-State rivalry card and get them to loosen up.
I am currently piggy-backing on the amp of my partner but will have my own within the month (solved my wife's dilemma on what to get me for my birthday).
We have to turn it down if there are too many complaints but so far so good.
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MP
1498 posts
Mar 12, 2011
11:17 PM
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kids love harmonica! i swear, every single one is absolutely facinated by the sound. i base my statement on the fact that not a single kid has ignored or even gotten bored with the thing in over 30 years of observation. play, and they come out of the woodwork.
we'd all be rich if our audiences were composed only of children.
once i did a clinic for 100 harmonica playing 7 year olds. they were called the willowdale harmonica wizards. there is nothing quite like that many kids all playing the same tune at once. oh, did i mention they liked the harp?
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gene
697 posts
Mar 13, 2011
12:25 AM
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Isaac,
Now that you've proven your worth to your spouse, do you suppose she'll let you buy that federo now?
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Ant138
830 posts
Mar 13, 2011
6:53 AM
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nice going Isaac.
I keep meaning to get out and busk but i keep making excuses. I guess i need to bite the bullet and just do it.
Great tips by the way:o)
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Blackbird
152 posts
Mar 13, 2011
7:24 AM
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I haven't busked yet, but I see the mention of the permits in some replies here. Seattle is 99.9% free to busk in, short of a couple parks that have limits on noise or amplification, and the only permit area is immediately in/surrounding the historic Pike Place Market. The permits there accomplish a few things that maybe make them reasonable, where everywhere else they'd be a hassle.
The permits help pay for the market and its upkeep. They're about 40 bucks per year per busker or group - not a huge fortune to spend if you're a regular.
The permits also help limit and organize buskers - it's a high traffic and very high tourist area. If it were permissible for anyone who fancied to entertain, there'd literally be no room left on the sidewalk as buskers clashed with each other in every available inch. With the volume of people in the area, if you're worth listening to, the tips appear to be very good, vs. the average sidewalks around the city. At any given time, there's probably a half dozen or a dozen buskers at appointed spots - that's another thing the market does is limit where you can busk, and who can do it, and you can rotate so everyone gets a chance at a prime spot.
There's not much busking going on around town now due to the weather, but in a couple more months buskers will be all over downtown and surrounding areas, so if you're passing through town, stop nearly anywhere to have some sidewalk time and see what comes of it.
There's also an annual busker's festival here, @ Pike Place Market - usually in September. No news on 2011 yet, but the 2010 site is here as an example of what to expect:
http://pikemarketbuskers.org/2010/08/fest/
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oldwailer
1571 posts
Mar 13, 2011
8:39 AM
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I'm a licensed Pike Place Busker--$36 a year. There are a couple of problems with the rules there--1) you can only play 1 hour before someone else can bump you. 2) You have to wait for the hour and can't play anywhere else while your turn is coming up for the spot. 3) No amplification, drums of any kind, or horns.
This all means that it can take all day of mostly waiting around to play for maybe one or two hours--in separate sets. The parking is expensive--about $12 a day if you get there early to get it. It is OK to sell CD's but you can't really push it.
But, it's a lot of fun to play there--people are very receptive, there are a lot of good musicians to listen to, and, on a good day, you can make expenses and have a nice day at the market. . .
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isaacullah
1441 posts
Mar 13, 2011
4:51 PM
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Hey guys! Thanks for all the great contributions to this thread! It's fascinating to hear about all the different procedures for permitting in the different places... It's always a difficult thing. On the one hand, what blackbird says is true. In the really good places for busking, it would be over-run with buskers without permits. But on the other hand, there are a lot of places where needing a permit just seems like excessive control being exercised by overly anal city officials. I suppose the only way to go is to get a permit when it seems like you really need one, but don't be afraid to just jump up and do it without one. The very most that will happen is a little fine, but it's likely that if you do get hassled, all they'll ask is for you to stop playing and move along.
BTW, my wife had her booth at another festival yesterday (a chili cook-off!), and this time I was able to play as long as I wanted! Chili cook-off goers were keen on the harp, but not so keen on the jewelery my wife was selling. I had to stop playing after an hour so I wouldn't "outsell" my wife! That's the catch 22: you want to look successful for her, but you don't want to make her look bad either! It's all about keeping her happy!
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Big Daddy Ray
99 posts
Aug 04, 2011
7:52 PM
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Browsing old threads I figured this one might be a good one to revive.
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BronzeWailer
204 posts
Aug 04, 2011
9:40 PM
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I think that was a good idea, Big Daddy. One thing I've noticed is that if charity collectors set up near you it is a good idea to move on.
People see the charity collectors, put away their wallets and hurry past, like a school of fish noticing sharks in the water. I made the mistake of not moving on last Friday and didn't make a cent for 45 minutes, which is a new record.
On the plus side, I was busking a couple of days ago and got asked to sit in with a bluegrass band, which I did, and had a blast.
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Big Daddy Ray
106 posts
Aug 05, 2011
1:11 AM
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I love Bluegrass. Part of my heritage actually. I don't hear enough harp in Bluegrass!
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Morrel
4 posts
Aug 05, 2011
2:13 AM
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We only have one real (english) busker in town. He doesn't play on the street but in the cafe's (bars) around the market.
I got to know him quit well and we used to go from bar to bar. (he was playing, I was drinking beer). He makes about 70 dollars on market days.
He also plays fun tunes on his harmonica if there are kids present, and they love it.
Usually, he's gets quit drunk afther 2 - 3 hours, and by the time he goes home the money is spend on sigarrets and beer :)
He doesn't have a permit. I'm not sure if you need one to play in a bar.
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BronzeWailer
206 posts
Aug 05, 2011
7:05 AM
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@Big Daddy. They had a bass, geetar, mandolin and banjo. The harp slotted in nicely. I have a standing invitation to sit in on their weekly gigs :)
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2chops
16 posts
Aug 05, 2011
8:23 AM
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I haven't busked yet, but I have played in public some. Here's what I've noticed.
1. I have a Golden Retriever that howels at just the perfect moment in whatever tune I play. Wierd, but everybody absolutely gets a kick out of it. If your pet doesn't mind the harp noise, they do make a great partner.
2. As mentioned, I haven't put the tip bucket out yet. But feel free to use this idea and let us know how it works for you. Put a sign on your bucket that says "Reque$t$" This with a some seed money should get the ball rolling.
3. Kids do love the harp. We have a lot of kids in my block. When I sit out on my front porch and start up, they come from whereever they are and hang out, or play in our front yard while I'm tooting away. They also often ask me if I could play something if I'm just hanging out &: talking to the neighbors.
4. I agree with walter about being yourself and playing your thing and enjoy the time with confidence. People love the harp. A friend of mine is a 30 year vet of the harp and told me that one of the nice things about our instrament is that even if you're only marginal in your ability, your audience most likely can't play it at all, and will think you're the bomb. Fear not and have a good courage my son.
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MP
1794 posts
Aug 05, 2011
11:42 AM
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busking is a labor of love. hell, music is a labor of love.
it's a good way to get a live practice and improve your chops.
some guys do it because it's their only form of income. i know these guys. hard times.
i can be fun. don't get me wrong. i just prefer AC outlets and roofs and seated patrons
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groyster1
1251 posts
Aug 05, 2011
11:47 AM
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I always thought that the pedestrian subways in london would be an ideal spot for busking no amp needed-might give it a go next year when I go back there and any pence I might collect I would save for a souveneir
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MP
1795 posts
Aug 05, 2011
2:38 PM
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hopefully it'll be pounds and pence.
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Big Daddy Ray
111 posts
Aug 05, 2011
2:47 PM
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I plan on busking eventually. I need a lot more practice,though. After checking with my local police and city counsel and such no one found any rules for or against it and as of right now saw no need for a permit as long as I stay out of the way of people walking around.
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BronzeWailer
207 posts
Aug 05, 2011
4:12 PM
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@Big Daddy. Busking is great fun. As MP says, it's a great way to improve your chops. It has motivated me to learn new material and even start singing. I am gradually building my repertoire. Good luck!
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mandowhacker
75 posts
Aug 05, 2011
6:28 PM
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Jason told me that he had been playing on the streets last month. He said he had to learn songs that "everyone" knows.....like Low Rider. He said he can play his stuff all day and not make a dollar. Jason Ricci's music ain't worth a buck!!!! But if he does the dance/bar songs he cleans the street.
I stopped in Castaic, CA last month. With a lot of time I passed it in the Country Girl (BAR). Wobbled back to the truck to sleep and realized I was hungry. Wobbled back to the 'Mexican" roach coach. No wallet, but---a Bb harp. I ain't worth a damn, but I vamped my way to two burritos and three bucks!!!! Maybe the tips get better at 1:00 AM.
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Big Daddy Ray
119 posts
Aug 06, 2011
2:51 AM
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Thanks, Bronze. I will probably end up walking into town a few blocks away and just sit on a bench or at the local park tinkering around. Just me and my harps.
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BronzeWailer
209 posts
Aug 06, 2011
4:29 AM
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Yeah Big Daddy. It takes time to get used to playing in public. It builds momentum.
I am no longer 'ashamed' (bashful?) about playing the harp in public. Reaction is overwhelmingly positive 95% of the time. I am a more open person as a result. Far more conversations with total stangers than I used to have...
The other day I was seranading my friends goodbye as I waited for the bus and this young dude shoved some money in my hands despite my protest that I wasn't busking. Priceless.
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groyster1
1255 posts
Aug 06, 2011
11:24 AM
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@MP
Ill take whatever I work cheap-it would be fun,regardless
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geordiebluesman
437 posts
Aug 06, 2011
4:38 PM
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I have a dream, and my dream is this, the seafront of my home town has an iconic domed dancehall built about 150 years ago it was left to fall into disrepair but now after about 15 years of protest and fund raising it has been refurbished and the road in front has been re routed round the back and a Piazza is being created with a performance area and water feature and seats etc.
The council is dead kean to get folks down there in the summer and when it is finished next spring i am gonna get myself down there and busk, it will embarass the crap out of my 16yr old daughter but in my mind that counts as an added bonus, Let's Boogie!
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BronzeWailer
210 posts
Aug 06, 2011
5:02 PM
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Go for it Geordie! It's important to embarass your kids. My son once said to my daughter: "It's Dad's job to embarass you, just like it's my job to annoy you."
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Big Daddy Ray
122 posts
Aug 06, 2011
7:14 PM
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Get video of it and post it on her Facebook :)
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BronzeWailer
943 posts
Apr 12, 2013
12:12 AM
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grey3drawer is trying to "pump it up" to the wrong audience I fear. We don't have the means, the inclination or the legs for your products...
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nacoran
6674 posts
Apr 12, 2013
1:00 AM
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Doh. The Captcha just ate my post! All 3500+ characters!
Oh well. I noticed I actually hit the wrong key at the end and was too fast on the return key. Usually they are just messed up because the Captcha is timed out, and back paging recovers it. This time, with an actual error, it deleted it. Test...
Nope, just a hiccup in the space time continuum.
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King Casey
8 posts
Apr 12, 2013
4:32 AM
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Busking is my main source of income.
It has to occur week in week out all year round.
I visit many many surrounding suburbs in search of new territory free from 'over fishing'.
Councils are many here in Melb/Victoria and they all have draconian busking laws. The idea of issuing a 'permit' is a ruse to the gullible. It's simply a conduit so that they can prosecute the individual.
Best advice is 'don't give them the opportunity to say 'no' '.
I am a long-time lapsed harmonica player, who drifted into saxophone many many years ago. I rely on backing tracks with battery-powered amp.
Most council officers are not aware of the rules that they pretend to be enforcing. Simply say 'yes sir no sir' and set yourself up again the very next day.
cheers, Mark.
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