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Killa_Hertz
2089 posts
Jan 12, 2017
7:25 PM
I saw this video yesterday and just had to learn this ending. Ive heard many people use this, but it never hit me like " I had to learn it. "

Also I'm searching for more 5 cord licks and transitions for the 12 bar. So i figured i would tie the two together. Lol. So hook it up with some killer 5 cord / turnaround licks

Dig this sweet sounding ending.



Sweet Ending
Mirco
454 posts
Jan 12, 2017
10:39 PM
I 100% recommend you look at Dave Barrett's bluesharmonica.com.

He has a series of lessons about the V-IV-I turnaround area. There's a PDF for download with like a hundred examples (and a mp3 of him playing each one).

The turnaround area is a real spot of weakness for many players, so it's worth some study. (By the way, Dave has a similar series of lessons on ending licks, with dozens of ending licks.)
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Killa_Hertz
2090 posts
Jan 13, 2017
2:41 AM
Actually I have Mirco.

Ive been going thru the 3rd position lessons. I have done Daves site twice before and I never really cared for it. This time however I'm loving it.

Also I have dug into both of those lessons your talking about and I have learned a few new ones. It is a great resource. But you still have to wade through them all to find ones that fit your style. It can actually be kind of a pain at times when your only using your phone .. lol.

I still like to hear what everybody else uses and swap licks. Its more fun that way. 8^)
2chops
559 posts
Jan 13, 2017
7:24 AM
Dan Gage did a vid a few years ago that I really liked. The lesson on the turn around starts at the 4:20 mark. Dan Ridgeway calls it anchoring. I use this, or a variation of it often.


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MindTheGap
2038 posts
Jan 13, 2017
3:06 PM
A handful of particularly lovely V chord licks for you...

Lazy Lester Alligator Shuffle https://youtu.be/4KLLwWuBrRk?t=48

Paul Butterfield The Thrill is Gone https://youtu.be/zLjCoEDMzwg?t=145

Rod Piazza Cold Child https://youtu.be/sePfAJRJ-q0?t=31

Rod Piazza Deep Fried (can't find on YT) 67 hole shake on the V chord.

Mitch Kashmar Evil Man Blues https://youtu.be/lq86IoOjNq4?t=407

Jerry McCain Courting in a Cadillac https://youtu.be/662HZm2d11I?t=36

Westside Andy Sad Hours https://youtu.be/FFMMXMG5zjw?t=70

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Jan 13, 2017 3:13 PM
Killa_Hertz
2093 posts
Jan 13, 2017
5:38 PM
2 Chops .... Yes, that is the lick im taking about exactly! Nice. I wish I found this video before I figured it out on my own. I had to sit and replay the youtube vid about 20 times. And the wifi was lagging and the video kept buffering .. GAHHH! ... Lol. What a pain. Atleast Im not trying to learn it from LP. 8^)

MTG. Wow, Thanks for takung the time to post all that. But ... Honestly most of those were not my style. However I really loved the West Side Andy and the Mitch Kashmar licks. They are great. Ill have to learn them for sure.

Maybe the simple ones are useful, but I prefer tricky sounding ones. They just really pop.

Here's a great one from Horton. It actually starts out the song on the 5.




Heres another one by Horton in the same album. This song also starts on the 5.

Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Jan 13, 2017 5:41 PM
MindTheGap
2039 posts
Jan 14, 2017
12:35 AM
Killa, the thing I've learnt is that good players use a mix of simple and complex note choices. To my ears a person that only tries to use complex stuff sounds like a relative beginner.

I knew a guitarist (amateur) years ago who couldn't play a riff straight - he always had to frill it up with extra grace notes and trills. Every solo headed the same way towards something high speed and technical. To start with you'd think wow, skill. But after a bit you'd just think, here we go again.

I think it's important to be able to switch between your harp-player's ears and your normal audience-ears, if you see what I mean!

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Jan 14, 2017 12:39 AM
Killa_Hertz
2094 posts
Jan 14, 2017
5:08 AM
Very well put! I was kindof thinking along those lines as I was listening to the"not so flashy" examples you posted. But you just clarified and confirmed it.

I do notice that even the greats, Horton, Jacobs, etc. ... When playing will sometimes take a fairly uneventful solo.


I notice that in this song with the guitar player. I don't think it's Ronnie Earl on this one, but I'm not sure. But either way the guitar is just annoying to me. Listening to this album over and over .. i tend to skip this song simply because i can't stand the guitar.

Here's the song. And if you think it's"not that bad" .. restart it and listen to it a few times .. lol.

Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Jan 14, 2017 5:10 AM
MindTheGap
2041 posts
Jan 14, 2017
11:01 AM
Killa, 'This video is not available' But is it this one? https://youtu.be/3GXBBDmBCzg in which case I know what you mean! Although Ronnie Earl definitely is able to play simple and strong.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Jan 14, 2017 11:04 AM
Killa_Hertz
2096 posts
Jan 14, 2017
4:40 PM
Sorry, i don't know why you guys can't get some videos.

But no, it's this one. https://youtu.be/p2f2cOwmico

I know Ronnie Earl can play GREAT. I love his playing most of the time. But in this song is just relentless. I can't stand it.
SuperBee
4428 posts
Jan 15, 2017
9:59 PM
Ha. I couldn't recall that track but I had a look at the album list and I see it's one of the 3 numbers that don't feature WH. I generally skip those too.
I haven't played that set for a long time. I've owned it for decades. I played it so much pre-internet that I think it's probably close to my 'conceptual starting place' for blues harp.
MindTheGap
2046 posts
Jan 15, 2017
11:43 PM
I still can't see that link, I guess it's a UK thing. But I think I found it - Big Walter Horton Live at the Knickerbocker, Lord Knows I Tried?

On the subject of complex/simple note choices: while I was finding something for Larry's mic thread, I referred to a Kim Wilson video. After five mins or so of amazing solo pyrotechnics - at about 6 mins he plays 36 bars of one note!

QED.
Killa_Hertz
2164 posts
Feb 01, 2017
6:28 PM
Bump for Ian.


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