MindTheGap
1648 posts
May 25, 2016
2:00 AM
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I can't keep waiting for the lick vault thread to open up, so here's a text only thread.
K - I appreciate the effort on Facebook, but it's not going to work for me. Here's a germ of idea that works with the unusual MBH technology, and importantly keeps it all on MBH: putting tags in the title of the thread, then using the search. Either the standard search or you can do a more sophisticated site-search using google.
It's an idea I had before Adam granted us this beginner's forum, but was rejected by the elders. There's one example already in use for Off-Topic e.g. "OT: My toast was burnt this morning"
So something like this LICK: A:Artist T:Title. When you search for LICK: A:Walter Horton you should see a results page with a list of them.
LICK: A:Walter Horton T:Easy
LICK: A:Walter Horton T:Blue Mood
Will it work, I don't know.
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Last Edited by MindTheGap on May 25, 2016 2:04 AM
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Killa_Hertz
1498 posts
May 25, 2016
3:19 AM
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Yea that sounds good, in a perfect world.
But most of the licks are just random.
So to look for a specific one would be impossible.
Funny, but the thread loads fine for me.
But what if we did LINKS ONLY. And you could label your links as you ve suggested. We could come up wuth some type of system.
For instance i just put up two ending licks. So i could have posted LICK:ENDING : Name.
Or a IV cord lick could be LICK:IVChord : Name
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Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on May 25, 2016 3:27 AM
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MindTheGap
1649 posts
May 25, 2016
3:56 AM
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LICK: T:Pencil Full of Lead
https://app.box.com/s/i132r0hzahekxc8lqgv2sasmh0nehu73
Let's see if that indexes.
Last Edited by MindTheGap on May 25, 2016 4:02 AM
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SuperBee
3788 posts
May 25, 2016
1:36 PM
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Here's a link to my box folder
https://app.box.com/s/nkch729iquuurp8fe7izix9r6n56r4ig
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SuperBee
3789 posts
May 25, 2016
1:42 PM
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I'll have to rename some of them in the box folder...be patient...I'm working 9 to 5 on the dark side of the planet
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SuperBee
3790 posts
May 25, 2016
1:43 PM
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Naming convention is probably important. I'll try to be clear
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SuperBee
3791 posts
May 25, 2016
1:45 PM
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You fellows both have "editor status" so I think you can change things in the folder
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SuperBee
3793 posts
May 25, 2016
11:17 PM
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If anyone else wants to participate in the shared folder, send me an email I guess. Otherwise the link above should let you access the files. It could grow, sub folders etc. who knows.
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Killa_Hertz
1503 posts
May 26, 2016
2:54 AM
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I got the email. I'm going to put some of mine in there later on.
Really Hope It Turns Out Good.
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Killa_Hertz
1506 posts
May 26, 2016
8:43 PM
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I just posted a lick in the file. But it had a complete breakdown with it. And i got a little carried away i guess. It ended up being over 3mb. So idk if this is eating up the file or not. If it is lmk and I'll post a shorter version.
Speaking of which, maybe we should set some kind of ground rules. Like file size for example.
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MindTheGap
1650 posts
May 26, 2016
11:26 PM
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Thanks for setting this up SuperBee.
That's a nice riff kHz. When you TB that 3 bend, do you think we should try to hit the bend note right off, or hit the unbent note then the bent note as two distinct notes, or hit the unbent note and bend it down?
Maybe you could post a text link in here, together with a description?
Last Edited by MindTheGap on May 26, 2016 11:29 PM
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MindTheGap
1651 posts
May 26, 2016
11:27 PM
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Here's my offering. A general-purpose phrase I heard from Walter Horton yesterday. Simple and useful I think.
Triplets on 3'' 3 4 and 5 5+ 4.
https://app.box.com/s/c8h5c8bvj8pejxv7uzngs2ywtazdjcb2
The thing I'm really picking up from listening to Big Walter is to use all the available notes, like the unbent 3D and the 2B rather than majoring on the 4', 3' etc. When I first started playing I received the advice to play lots of bends and bent double-stops to go for a less cheerful-harmonica feel, but I'm moving away from that now.
I think this squares with Jason Ricci's advice I've heard from several sources. It's made more sense since listening to BW tracks.
Last Edited by MindTheGap on May 26, 2016 11:36 PM
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SuperBee
3796 posts
May 27, 2016
3:13 AM
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I'm glad to see contributions. Thank you. I'm not quite sure about capacity: I think I have 10 gig all up, including my other folders...I think we have quite a way to go.
The rule is no individual file >250mb. So 3mb is nbd. I haven't got a heap of stuff elsewhere in my box account ... Probably less than 1G total atm so plenty of space for a while yet.
I haven't checked what you all have done yet, just home from work.
Anyone else who would like to get involved, please just email me. My details are in the link of my user name
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Killa_Hertz
1507 posts
May 27, 2016
3:16 AM
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Ok ... yes your right mtg. What im doing on the 3 is ..... as i position my tongue to TB the 3 (after the chord) i keep the flow of air going. So it sounds the unbent 3, but as i set my tongue down i bring in thr bending energy. Then i drop off of the 3" as i let next chord pop using that bending energy to create a pull. Let the 123 chord hit with the pull and then a 2+. So in short. Yea i kinda scoop the 3. Lol.
I did that sound clip a few times. At first i kept discovering new things i was doing. Origionally i thought it just a simple rhythm. But it turns out its slightly more complicated than i thought. Then i was explaining too much, i thought. The clip was over 5 mins. So u did a much shorter version, figuring ide just explain the rest like this if needed.
MTG ok ill post the link and d3scription later. But whats your thoughts on file size?
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MindTheGap
1655 posts
May 27, 2016
10:22 PM
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Here's a chordy thing inspired by 1847 with his spoof (I guess) vid of soaking his new Joe Spiers harp on the MF.
Based around the scale 2 3' 4+ 4 5 6+ with lots of TB, splits and hands opening/closing. Not my natural territory. Not sure where I could use it in a song, but it's a great thing for just picking up and playing around on.
https://app.box.com/s/fhxayxihgv2gpnc4rj0a7sl92e5wkbk0
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Truth2012
45 posts
May 27, 2016
11:32 PM
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I like that chordy thing MTG.
Funny enough since seeing 1847 play the spoof I've been trying to have a go at that. Not really sure how to get that sound as my tongue blocking has only got to the octave splits stage so far.
What are you doing with the long 5 draw to get that sound?
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MindTheGap
1656 posts
May 28, 2016
12:00 AM
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Thanks, and thanks to 1847. The first time round I did tongue flutter. You know where you quickly move the tongue on/off the harp? Just lightly. 2nd time round I did that then some throat vibrato.
It's not all splits, I think 1847 starts with some single notes, I don't know if he's TBing or not at that point. And I added some double stops e.g. on 34 and 23 draw which I find easier to LP.
Last Edited by MindTheGap on May 28, 2016 12:05 AM
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Truth2012
46 posts
May 28, 2016
12:16 AM
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thanks MTG
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MindTheGap
1662 posts
Jun 02, 2016
12:39 AM
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I'm looking at Louis Jordan 'There ain't nobody here but us Chickens'. Here are a couple of things I've picked out to work on from the 1st solo. It's in C, so F-harp in 2nd position.
This is from the first solo phrase. As far as I can tell it's using an extra micro step bend on the 4D to fit the rhythm - the (4') in brackets...
2 3 4+ 4' (4') 4 4' 4+ 3' 3' 2 1
First Solo Phrase
This one is a nice little move that lays out well, using the 3 Blow.
3' 4+ 3+ 3' 2 2+ 1+
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Killa_Hertz
1536 posts
Jun 02, 2016
5:22 AM
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Nice. I gotta get back into the licks. Dirty i haven't been doing much wuth it lately. I'm in the process of buying a house and moving so things have been a bit hectic.
Glad you guys are keeping it going.
What's your thoughts on involving some of the main members? Too complicated? Better to keep it to ourselves?
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MindTheGap
1663 posts
Jun 02, 2016
8:52 AM
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I'm just posting up a few things from my own practice that I record for my own use anyway. But if ends up being just me then that's not going to be sustainable!
Get main members involved? Sure, if you think they'd be interested. There's sometimes an 'anti-riff' sentiment knocking around though, so get ready for that. Proper musicians let the music flow out of them like the very breeze itself.
Last Edited by MindTheGap on Jun 02, 2016 8:53 AM
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Killa_Hertz
1538 posts
Jun 02, 2016
10:16 AM
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No i won't let it be just you. I'll stay contributing. Although some of them may not be the greatest.
Re Main members. Yea i totally already expected to hear the Anti Riff BS. I think that's total garbage tho. Riffs are great. I mean they get you playing certain notes and patterens you may not have used before. I mean you must Make them your own ofcourse. Alot of the Riffs Bee posted .. once i started playing them i was changing them up all over the place and whipping them around into little grooves and rhythms.
Anyhow everyone already knows all that, but ..... yea licks are awesome.
I think a select few main forum guys would dig it.
How would they be able to access the page?? To post???
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Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Jun 02, 2016 10:18 AM
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SuperBee
3815 posts
Jun 02, 2016
5:42 PM
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i haven't been doing much in contribution territory because i have quite limited opportunity and this last weekend and week have been harp repairs and tuning. and my daughter's birthday...i'm essentially a sole parent so that limits me a bit...which is why i did a binge on the lick recordings when i did
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MindTheGap
1665 posts
Jun 03, 2016
12:13 AM
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Of course, not a criticism.
Here's two for the price of one: Ways to run down from playing wailing 9B, heard from a) Charlie Musselwhite and b) Walter Horton. Nothing revolutionary, but practical, it's about the rhythm I think. The wisdom I received was to use the pentatonic scale for this 9+ 8+ 8 7 6 6+. But with the few changes of breath direction, these are easier at speed. And I like the sound of b) better too.
a) 9+ 8+ 7+ 6+, 6 5 4
b) 9+ 9 8 7 6 6+, etc. Apart from the 6D, these are the notes of the I7 chord.
Run down from 9+ CM and BW.mp3
You can skim over them as a glissando, or put the notes clearly in a rhythm. CM tends to inflect the blow notes to make the pitch pretty ambiguous. My feeling is that they are substituting for draw notes really, I like the sound of that myself.
Last Edited by MindTheGap on Jun 03, 2016 12:22 AM
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MindTheGap
1670 posts
Jun 04, 2016
10:51 PM
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Here's one for you. A little flourish from Walter Horton on Little Boy Blue at around 12m35s
https://youtu.be/1AjKU4qr3cI?t=728
Here's my 'interpretation'. It involves a little daredevil leap from 4 to 6+ in a run, so I might only use it in the safety of my own home. 6~2 indicates a glissando.
BW Little Boy Blue 3' 4 6+ 7+ 6~2
Last Edited by MindTheGap on Jun 04, 2016 11:20 PM
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SuperBee
3822 posts
Jun 05, 2016
6:31 PM
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Hi…thanks MTG for your postings.
Your mention of 4 to +6 reminded me of a couple of licks which might help you in the ‘leap’…
This first one was presented to me as a way to take you from the low octave to the middle without a ‘stumble’.
I think ive already put a recording of it in the licks folder
Its 2** 2 3* 2 4+ 3 4* 3 4 3 4* 3 4+ 3+ 3* 2
The first part of that, up to the first 4+ is the trick…you have landed in the middle octave and you can go where you want really
So that is the leap from 2 draw to 4 blow…you can get pretty quick at that. I use the first part of that lick quite often. The rest of it needs to be quite slick to sound good but it’s a good exercise
But here is the other bit…the same (ok, very similar) breath pattern can be used here:
4* 4 5 4 6+ 5+ 6* 5 6 5 6* 5 6+ 5+ 5 4
And you can add this to the end of that: 4* 3 4+ 3+ 3* 2
So that is the leap from 4 draw to 6 blow…of course once you have it in your memory from the earlier lick, its relatively simple to apply it in the middle
Some of those bassline exercises are good for this also…something like the root octave seven 5… 2 draw 6 blow 5 draw 4 draw, repeat. So you have the 2-6 jump and then the 4- 2 jump to get back to the start…and when the chord changes you jump 4 – 1 and immediately after back to 4…
also say the root 5 seven octave which requires skipping from 2 draw to 4 draw, and from 1 draw to 3** in the V chord
the bass lines are a whole subject in themselves and a very beneficial practice imho
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MindTheGap
1671 posts
Jun 06, 2016
2:28 AM
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Thanks that a useful one. Leaps down seem to be more secure - I guess that's more a less a home in 2nd position. When I'm playing 3rd position, there is a 'home' starting on 4, and I don't find that middle octave to be a trouble.
Could be I've got a flawed mental model of the middle of the harp in 2nd position.
Last Edited by MindTheGap on Jun 06, 2016 2:30 AM
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MindTheGap
1672 posts
Jun 06, 2016
9:57 AM
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What do you know, I mention mental models this morning and this afternoon Baker posts this link to a radio programme with Lee Sankey talking about just this...
http://www.modernbluesharmonica.com/board/board_topic/5560960/5492913.htm
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Killa_Hertz
1552 posts
Jun 07, 2016
12:03 AM
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My mental model is the harp. Blow notes are inside, draw notes are on the visual part of the comb face. Bend notes are just layers underneath. And i visualize the number hole im currently on aswell as the hole(s) i want to move to. But i visualize the numbers on the cover. Like moving to the five hole i see the stamped 5 in the metal and see the that i have 1 semi tone bend available (underneath) and visualise that im going to go 4' 4+ 3' 2. Or whatever. But those notes further ahead i would only half see. I would really only visualise one note at a time. But most of it is muscle memory after a while. You just hear what lick will fit best or how you can modify a certain lick to fit there and just play it. But even playing those super fast licks that are just engrained in muscle memory, i still see the pattern in my head. Or sometimes on the fast licks i may kinda blur the middle but i see the first few notes aswell as the ending notes. And then as im playing it i think of where to go from that hole in going to end on.
It seems like alot of thinking, but it's not. It's kinda like cutting wood with a handsaw. If you push and force it with your hand and try to cut harder or faster, the saw just binds up. You have to just get the groove started and let the saw do the work.
Just get the groove started and let your mind go and let the harp and your brain do the work, dont force it.
It's hard to describe correctly, but i agree that a mental model is very important. I haven't yet listened to this one, but sankey has a youtube vid about it which i liked.
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SuperBee
3894 posts
Jun 25, 2016
5:45 PM
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Here's a link to a document I made of the Jerry Portnoy 'little circles' exercises for bending practice:
link
The idea is to play the exercises as loops; play the phrase over and over, maybe 4 times. Many are triplet figures so it's good to think of them as such. I've interpreted what Jerry says on the disc, and transcribed what he actually plays instead.
Last Edited by SuperBee on Jun 25, 2016 8:30 PM
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Fil
160 posts
Jun 26, 2016
9:44 AM
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I mistakenly uploaded a friend's recording to the vault..."my guitar is lonely".... I think I've managed to delete the files, although the filename still appears on the index on my iPad. Sorry. I'll figure it all out someday.
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SuperBee
3900 posts
Jun 27, 2016
2:59 PM
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Hi Phil, I don't see the file name when I look. So I reckon you succeeded.
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SuperBee
3916 posts
Jul 06, 2016
8:52 PM
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I saw Ronnie Shellist had a sale on lick lessons a little while ago so I bought the set, and then didn't do anything with them.
Just today I checked out the first position lesson, and straight away I can tell this will be good for me.
The lesson package consists of a pdf on which he spells out the licks, and a bunch of recorded examples. There's a recording for each lick. He demonstrates what it is and how to use it, talks about how it might lead somewhere. This is all good because he shows how you get a few of these down, start using them with a track, stringing them together and getting your brain around how things work, how timing works.
Anyway, i think I'm going to enjoy these lessons.
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Killa_Hertz
1669 posts
Jul 07, 2016
3:16 AM
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WHAT!!!????
Ive been telling yall about Ronnies Lick Lessons For EVER!! And now you go get them. Lol. Just kidding Bee.
They really are great. I don't even try to learn them all. I use those lessons to get out of ruts alot. They re good for that. Ill listen through one of the lessons. intermediate, bent, 5 chord, 4 chord, etc. Do all of the licks in that lesson and then pick just one to learn and weave into my playing. That way instead of trying to force all these new licks in, you can really take the time to master the one, until it's muscle memory. And then ofcourse you also have plenty of licks left for next time. 8^)
It's funny how one new lick can change things.
Also adams tradebits ate great for getting out of ruts.
I have a 5 chord lick i made up this morning in the car. Im going to record it and put it in the file later
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