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Killa_Hertz
783 posts
Mar 22, 2016
10:46 PM
Ok. Well a few people have made comments recently about "When are you gonna post a clip of you playing? " I guess if you hang around long enough its expected. Lol.

So today I just came home from work, thru on a jam track, n recorded it. It took me 3 or 4 takes to get thru it without screwin up horribly or daydreaming and forgetting to play. Its a bit rushed, especially in the beginning, i was still kinda in 100 MPH mode from work. But this is it. Nothin special. Just an ice breaker.

So i figured out the box app. However, i used my jamman to record, but i have no computer to upload the track to. So .... lol .... what i had to do is go old school. Remember back in the day when you wanted to copy a tape? You would put the two tape players face to face n record like that? Well I used my phones record program and layed the phone inside my headphones which i plugged into the jamman. I know ... it's ghetto ... so needless to say, the sound quality is a bit, ... eeehhh. So.... sorry, but it is what it is i guess.

You can hear me breathing and banging around a bit at the beginning and at the end. Thats from the secondary recording. The breath at the beginning is wierd idk how it picked it up so loud, but owell



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Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Mar 22, 2016 10:51 PM
Killa_Hertz
784 posts
Mar 22, 2016
10:48 PM


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MindTheGap
1319 posts
Mar 23, 2016
12:27 AM
Nice one kHz. Doesn't have to be a hifi recording for this purpose.

My vision for this beginner's forum is that us learners might post samples freely without it being a big deal. But with no obligations to do so. I guess you may be fed up with hearing my bits and pieces, but I've been trying to lead the way :)

So, excellent stuff!

In the spirit of the creed - is there anything you want comments on? I've already lifted one riff from this for my 'library'.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Mar 23, 2016 12:41 AM
Killa_Hertz
785 posts
Mar 23, 2016
3:19 AM
Re HiFi .. I know it doesn't have to be HiFi, but i just wanted to explain why is sounded like a copied tape from the 90s. Also I just found it humorous that ive got all this gear sitting here now and yet i ultimately stooped to this meathod of recording. Lol.


I like your vision of the beginner thread. I think its a great idea and Ive been wanting to share for a while, but Truthfully have just been too chicken. 8^)>

I love hearing sound bites from you and everyone else. It can be very inspiring. Or at the very least just gives you an idea about where everyone is at and what they are working on. Also just helps describe what your talking about, like how i just used it on the vibrato thread. That was pretty cool to be able to get feedback that way and know for sure if im doing it right.

As far as comments .... Please, Thats kindof the point.

I think i know alot of the short comings in this one, but still would love to hear it. Plus im sure theres a few things ive overlooked. So dont be shy, fire away.

My real problem is working with the mic. You ll hear i flubbed a few of the licks. These are licks i use ALOT so if i were playing acoustically the licks are no brainers, but with the mic not so much apparently. I think the problem is i lose the movement in my hand. What i mean is .... playing acoustic i can more easily combine the micro movements of my hand with the movements of my head. And thats where my muscle memory for the licks are. So by losing the micro hand movement the notes kindof blended together rather than being articulated the way they should. Ill try to pick out the time for the licks im talking about.


My other big gripe was the rushed feel. If i had sat down a while and let my brain slow down, alot of the notes would have sustained longer.

But what do you hear. Please dont be shy. Let er rip.


Gotta run ... gonna be late for work ... lol ... damned internet.
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Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Mar 23, 2016 3:19 AM
MindTheGap
1323 posts
Mar 23, 2016
4:16 AM
Ok - caveated as usual that we aren't teachers, so only comparing with own experiences. All I can say is that you are well ahead of where I was at your harmonica 'age'.

I heard some subtle, mature music here. You'll have read criticisms on the main forum of learners playing too much, too hard, crazy two-hole shake and 4D bend clichés. Well, this was the opposite to that. On the 'tasteful' end of the spectrum :) and leaving space here and there. Those are good things.

While you say you thought you went too fast, I thought it was quite laid back. Nice use of repetitive ideas (I like repetitive) e.g. at 20s. Nice move to signal the V chord at 1ms20s. I heard a mixture of timing styles - sometimes playing with the pulse, sometimes around the pulse and I like that too.

Good sounds from the amp, bits of TB and single notes. I think you'd enjoy experimenting with varying your cup as you play to vary the timbre and dynamics.

It had a very major feel, that may be what you intended. Some people always play the 3rd as a blue 3rd, but listening to lots of music I've found I like players better who mix it up and hit the unbent 3D from time to time or in particular phrases. If you wanted to instantly make the same piece darker, you could consciously take something off the 3D sometimes when you pass it, and not others.

Similarly, the phrase at about 2m28s 4 4+ 3 2, where you still on the I chord, you could choose to play that as 4 4' 3' 2, to instantly give it a darker feel. And then when you are on the IV chord, you can use the 4+ (4 Blow) and that gives a nice contrast i.e. 'listen everyone, I'm on the IV chord!'.

As for flubbed licks, you'll have to point them out. Given your notes choices, I didn't hear anything 'wrong', but it may not have been what you intended to play - the listener can't tell! Maybe it was the timing? It's a chosen style to play some of those fast licks with a loose timing.

Re the mic. I agree. I try to remember to practice holding a mic to avoid nasty surprises. Having a light, small mic (the fab Bulletini) is helpful in this regard. When I used a big bullet mic, suddenly I this massive object to manhandle.

How's that?

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Mar 23, 2016 4:37 AM
rogonzab
913 posts
Mar 23, 2016
6:18 AM
That was good Killa!!

The problem whit BT (for me at least) is that they are to loong. 3m of pure solo is boring to me. If you confine that same recording, but reduce it in 1 minute or so, you have a great solo!
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Tiggertoo1962
50 posts
Mar 23, 2016
8:18 AM
Hey Killa, respect. I've only listened through it once (and have less experience) so I can't give the same depth of comment as MTG. I can say, though, that I agree with him completely about the laid back feeling, and leaving plenty of space. Don't know how long you've been playing, but from the general feeling, I'd say the harp isn't your only instrument.

Just a thought. Can't you just stick the SD card from your phone into the JamMan using an adaptor, use one of the extra 99 channels on the card to save the track on, then stick it back in your phone and do a direct upload from there?
Rontana
307 posts
Mar 23, 2016
9:25 AM
I like it. Sounds good.

As far as the mic/hand discussion, I've found I generally prefer sticking the mic (been using an SM58) on a mic stand. I play as I normally would, but with amplification.

Just personal preference, as that's more the sound I'm going for. Everyone's different.
Killa_Hertz
787 posts
Mar 23, 2016
10:09 AM
thanks for the positive reviews everyone.

MTG ... I think you pretty much nailed one of my main "technical" shortcomings. What to play into the changes, what to play over what chord, etc. I know where the changes are. I just feel em, but if its an odd setup like 1-2-4-5. Or some odd variation of the 1-4-5, i know the chord changed, but not sure to which chord. Unless ofcourse i know ahead of time what the chord layout is.

So ill put some effort into that. There's just so much to learn its hard to pick what to learn next, but it seems like getting better at the 12 bar should be a priority for sure.

Thanks for the compliments and constructive criticism.

Zab .. i agree the length does drag on sometimes. I thought about editing a bt to be shorter. But the main point, i suppose, is to get better at playing full length songs. like you would with a band. you cant solo for 3 mins. your right. So you have to find a generally simple beat and chord progression that works (which to me is the hard part) then elaborate on that thru the song. hit a solo or two in the middle, falling back to your simple progression from time to time, but building it a little more complex as you go. sounds simple right? Atleast thats what i feel the trick is. Now if I could only DO it I'de be in buisness

Tigger. Ive been playin less than a year. I forget the exact date, but i kept the reciept for my first harp so ide temember ... lol. And i played drums in grade school, but other than that no other instruments.

The SD card idea is exactly what i plan to do, atleast until i finally get a new computer. I just need to buy an extra card. i have a couple, but they are all full. and i have no computer to empty them to, so ..... I need a computer bad.

Ron ... i have tried the mic on a stand meathod. Like Sonny Boy. But i have found that cupping for hand wahs n such takes a whole new meathod and skill when playing into a mic. I know now why sonny boy always kept that lil hole in his cup. because if you cup tight and full like you normally would, when you open it up to hand wah the sound is very drastic and unpleasant. not sure if anyone knows what i mean, but I do plan to get better at this meathod aswell.
But i prefer stick mics no matter what.

Akai DM13 - Harp Delay - Harp Attack - DA5 set on blues2 (bassman) - line out DA5 to mixer - Jamman

I havent ever used the harp attack or harp delay with the DA5 or the mixer yet. So it was an experiment all around.

Like i said yall that wasnt really planned out so. Mtg said he wasnt sure what i was going for. Well neither am i ... lol. I just played what i felt. N there it is. Thanks for all the advice. I think i may start doing this from time to time. Feedback is great.

Im really going to dig back into the 12bar lessons. Thats what I need to be doing. Thanks again guys.
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Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Mar 23, 2016 10:26 AM
Killa_Hertz
788 posts
Mar 23, 2016
10:30 AM
BTW Using the harp attack with the harp Delay yesterday I noticed that if I switched the order of the two pedals it made a big difference in sound.

Which order should they be in. should the harp attack be last? or first? because one way your boosting a delay signal, and the other way your delaying a boosted signal. Seems to me the latter is probably not right. I think the Harp Attack should always go last in line, but im not sure.
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MindTheGap
1326 posts
Mar 23, 2016
12:53 PM
Re 12 bar changes. Well, it's a choice isn't it, whether to signal the changes strongly yourself, or play over them. People do both/either in different circumstances. It's certainly useful to be able to do both.

Re the order of pedals. That's a good point, I'd not really thought. I have mine setup delay -> HB I guess because I thought of the HB as an amp surrogate. And, on short delay, it thickens the signal going INTO the HB. But now you say it, I should try the other way.

Re length of BTs. Yes, very much so, it's not natural! But it's practice, and different to performing. What I often do when playing to a BT is pretend I'm playing an intro, then doing some background comping, some fills, then take a give myself a couple of rounds of solo (then a little nod for the applause from the audience, haha) then back to comping.

...but the main point is: congrats for your first audio post! Nice work.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Mar 23, 2016 12:55 PM
SuperBee
3529 posts
Mar 23, 2016
2:11 PM
You have some things working very well.
There's some very busy stuff you play in there that is all good. I'm always impressed by that probably because I can't do it. I think it sounds impressive when others do it but just isn't part of my game.
Playing long improvisations isn't part of my game either...I don't have much game btw...
But the thing is...with BTs...they are great tools, and if you're aim is to play long improvs then I guess go for it..but personally I think they are usually pretty hard to listen to. Even strong improvisers are often hard to take. Harmonica just gets old pretty quick when it's played in that way, for me. Unless the structural elements are very strong, the timbre of the instrument is wearing.
Anyway, that's alright, I know you are just breaking the ice and getting your sound out there...and it's clear you are on a pretty fast curve..if you're playing this way inside a year it's gonna be full on within the next couple...
Oh yeah and you have an idea about space so that's good.
Recording is good, prac with tracks is good, playing with others and recording it is hard to listen back to but also very valuable.
To learn those changes...well there are specific ways you can do that but it kinda depends on the approach you want to take. there are different paths. I got on a particular one and it's kinda killed a lot of my interest in harmonica-centric stuff. But it expanded my general interest in music and how we learn.
SuperBee
3530 posts
Mar 23, 2016
2:32 PM
Regarding effects...the standard approach is to put 'time' effects like delay last in the chain...but if you are after a specific sound you can turn it around. The basic idea is that you make the signal you want, and then apply the echo. If you do it the other way it can confuse some effects when they get the echoing signal coming in...but also...the rule is if you like it, it's good.
Killa_Hertz
792 posts
Mar 23, 2016
3:17 PM
Thanks Bee. i really didn't expect this to be so we'll recieved. Appreciated yall.

I know what you mean tho. Harmonica up front for 3mins is brutal. It gets so boring. Its also nearly impossible, for me anyways, to keep it fresh that long.

I tried using the mixer to lower my volume to better match the track. Trying to blend it in. But since none of the other instruments have solos or anything it just doesnt really work.

I wonder if it would be better if you used an actual song and erased the vocals and harp parts. Eg. Muddy Waters, etc. It seems to be easier to get away with doing like mtg says ( intro .. falling back .. comping .. solo.. fall back n wrap up) when playing to an actual song. There's a few muddy and wolf songs that actually Have few harp parts. I like to rip on them in the car.

It Would probably be easier to play with ... as well as listen to. Ronnie Shellist has a version of Til Then with the vocals n harp parts erased.

Might be worth checking out.



MTG. Just out of curiosity. .. you said you added a lick you heard to your library. Which lick?

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Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Mar 23, 2016 3:21 PM
MindTheGap
1327 posts
Mar 23, 2016
4:08 PM
The one at 1ms20s, coming back to the IV chord with 1B. Nice little shimmy into it.

Re Backing Tracks, since lots of us use them for practice and learning, we should have an amnesty on them. We're not really going to solo for 5 minutes in public, but this is what we use to learn, and I think just go with it.,

I'm perfectly happy to listen to 4mins of harp practice, even if I wouldn't necessarily want to hear that live.

Picking up on your idea, I do tend to play along to actual songs rather than generic BTs. Not note for note. Of course, you can't record that in the same way.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Mar 23, 2016 4:18 PM
SuperBee
3531 posts
Mar 23, 2016
4:23 PM
I swear I wrote a post about the pedals...

Anyway...standard advice is to put 'time' effects like delay at the tail of the chain. I guess if you have some sort of compressor maybe that goes directly before the amp but otherwise I think the idea is that having delay early in the chain can mess up the signal going to later effects.
On the other hand, the rule is always that if you like the result it's good, so experiment. Sometimes breaking the rules is good, but usually where the effects are used with some subtlety.
On BTs...I rarely practice with them in the way of improvising from end to end. I won't say never, but I can't recall when last I did that. I'll usually be practicing specific things...such as timing a lick, or fitting things together, or practicing scales...or following changes in various ways....whether that may be arpeggiated chord tones or leading tones...or just practicing a specific part of a song, an intro or 12/24 bar solo, a riff, or fills. So my playing with BTs is quite repetitive. They're more timekeepers for me than anything else
Killa_Hertz
793 posts
Mar 24, 2016
3:09 AM
MTG .. why do you say you can't record them in the same way? I don't mind backing tracks that much either, but they are usually pretty uneventful. That's why i figured it would be better practice (as far as practicing with a band/playing live goes) to play with a song, with things taken out if needed.

When playing with a song i dont usually try to play what the harp player is playing. I just try to find a way to get thru the song with it sounding ok. Sometimes stealing the basic parts and fills the harp player used, sometimes not.

As far as that lick goes ... im not sure where that one came from. Almost all of my other licks i know where they stem from. Most of which i learned thru adam or ronnie. Surely i subconsciously sole it from somewhere. its hard to hear because of the recording, but it ends in a 1-4 split. Something like 1 2+ 2+ 1 ... 1 2 1 1' 1+---1/4+ 4dwa slide ... not that the rest wasnt obvious. i just think the split makes it.


Bee ... thanks for clearin up the effects issue.

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Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Mar 24, 2016 3:13 AM
MindTheGap
1331 posts
Mar 24, 2016
3:29 AM
kHz - I mean I can't record them for 'public' consumption! You know, me playing along to Ludella with another harp part - no one wants to hear that. Too many harps man :) Obviously I'm happy to do that for my own ears.

Good point though, other instruments you can get music-minus-one for this very purpose. My drum grade books come with tracks recorded a. with drums, b. without drums, with click track, c. without drums or click.

Re licks, well I consciously and shamelessly hover them up from all around. I decided a while ago not to try to create the whole history of harmonica music from my own creative talent, however boundless that may be. Instead to nick as much as possible from everyone else. Works much better for me.

That lick you did there - yes that's very RS, using the bend on the 1D like that. BTW that one is very much 'playing the changes'. Plenty of people signal V-IV bars just with 1D and 1B, and it's a nice touch to have that shimmy between them. Like it.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Mar 24, 2016 3:35 AM
Killa_Hertz
794 posts
Mar 24, 2016
5:24 AM
Oh i got you. Yea two harps is no good. That's why i thought if you took it out somehow with a program of some kind it would work better. And be easier to listen to. But the main advantage would be thst its closer to a real band playing than a Run of the mill backing track.

I agree about stealing licks from everywhere. I do it as much as possible. But i find it better to do one at a time. They sink in better that way. I want to learn some horn lines too. You and Adam both talk about it quite a bit. Well adam talks about stealing licks from all types of instruments. But learning horn parts are down pretty far on the list of things to learn.

One more mile by james cotton on 100%cotton ... the james brown type hotns in the back are awsome. I always wondered if you could make a harp sound like that. Probably with the right delay and effects you could make it sounds like multiple horns .. like a horn section.
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Fil
122 posts
Mar 24, 2016
7:35 AM
MTG, just curious, re your "shameless hoovering" of others' licks (that cracks me up), do you keep a tab catalog of the licks you've grabbed? Or do anything in particular to keep them alive in you brain?
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MindTheGap
1332 posts
Mar 24, 2016
7:57 AM
Ah ha, I hear something, learn how to play it (or a more realistically a pale imitation of it!) then record it in a long or short snippet. Then I categorise it so I can find it again - categories like 'phrases based around the 4 and 5 draw', or 'based around the 1D'.

So kHz's nice riff went into the drawer marked '2nd position, V-IV phrases'

Then of course I promptly forget them! But I go back through them from time to time. And some stick and become part of the stock. Some I remember because they are specific to a song e.g. Lightning, Chicago Bound, Juke, Ludella, Last Night I lost the best friend, Off The Wall... etc.

It's getting a bit like that scene at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark (huge government warehouse where things are lost...)

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Mar 24, 2016 8:03 AM
Killa_Hertz
797 posts
Mar 24, 2016
11:12 AM
YES! I love the Raiders Reference. But what do you think MTG. Could this horn section be pulled off with harp. And not only that, but a SINGLE harp with effects to make it sound like a section?







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Killa_Hertz
798 posts
Mar 24, 2016
11:15 AM
THIS Is what I hear every time One More Mile comes on!!!

"BOP EHhhhYOPA BOPP A EHhhYOPAhh FROM THE TOP EEHHhhhYOPA!!!" EVERY TIME!! LOL

JAMES BROWN. GET UPahhh GET ON UP!





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Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Mar 24, 2016 11:22 AM
MindTheGap
1333 posts
Mar 25, 2016
12:44 AM
Horns: yes indeed that's what I've been experimenting with. The jury is out. My band prepared a few crowd-pleasers with trademark horn parts (knock on wood, midnight hour...) for our last gig. We thought they were ok but some soul aficiandos did not like: harps playing horns? No, no.

I'm not even sure myself.

I'd have thought the classic phrase on One More Mile should be safe territory though. As for one harp doing it all? Well beyond me!

There's a 2nd harp/vocalist in my band, and the difficulty we had playing as a horn-duo was that he's used to playing more free-form in the blues style, and that's great. But to play as a horn section you need to be in locked step. No extra individual frills and flourishes. Playing 'in the moment' it's too tempting to break free: I'm not a number, I'm a free man!

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Mar 25, 2016 12:49 AM
MindTheGap
1334 posts
Mar 25, 2016
12:52 AM
Re the movie clip. Ha, I never thought I'd have something in common with James Brown. Because I'm not holding a guitar, I find myself vocalising rhythms and such to the band. One, two, pop-a-da-boo-ad-da-bang.

I don't find they sit in reverential awe though.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Mar 25, 2016 12:53 AM
MindTheGap
1336 posts
Mar 25, 2016
6:59 AM
Oh yes, I took your V-IV phrase to a rehearsal yesterday, and tried it out here and there. It's a great bread-and-butter phrase to use in general comping - and I mean that in the most +ve way. It's an alternative to just playing 1D and 1B. But without being too flash, which is just what you want.

Obviously, a lot of these phrases are similar. But it's the little touches of grace notes, ghost notes and timing that gives the spice.

And there at its brothers in 8ves above:

4D, 4D 6B 4D 4D' 4B

4D, 4D 5D 4D 4D' 4B

and

8D, 8D 9D 8D 7B (with a little down inflection on the 8D)

When you get the vibrato going, then this kind of phrase is a great excuse to linger on one note for a whole bar.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Mar 25, 2016 7:39 AM
Killa_Hertz
804 posts
Mar 25, 2016
8:00 AM
MTG have you ever seen the movie? Get on up. If not you gotta check it out. Great. Must See for music guys. Especially the scene in the clip above. The full scene is fantastic. Gave me a whole new respect for james brown for sure.

The horns on one more mile just kill me. They are great.

Congrats on pulling off a horn section. Thats really cool. Dont worry about the nah sayers. I think that with some use of effect you could similate a section. Off hand i would think delay set to the right timing with the repeats turned all the way down may work. Idk ... may take a few effects in combination, but i think it could be done. This would also eliminate that obvious timing issues and extensive practice with other players to get it just right.


I often linger on a note for a whole bar. Even tho my vibrato is apparently tremelo, but im working on it. When you first start playing you try to do the oposite and throw as many notes a second as possible .. lol. But once you settle down you become comfortable with not being "van halen with a harp" every second. Sometimes holding that note can give you time to think. Or just give contrast to the quicker phrases. Or sometimes it just fits and its as simple as that. I actually don't often think about how things work or contrast .. in the moment, thats more of a hindsight. I just play what feels right. But if im not feelin the beat then it just all goes to hell. Sorry im ranting.

Im glad you like the lick. It really does hit the spot sometimes. Its one of those licks that just kindof came out in one of my lick practices one day. As Ive said a few times, I kinda string my licks together and make them into a kindof song. Basically just practice without a backing track. The tempo changes depending on what im feeling. and some licks change with the tempo, some are ommited for faster tempo others omitted in slow tempo because they just dont fit. And sometimes things just come out to fill a hole. Or sometimes licks just evolve. I could probably trace all the licks i use back to about dozen or so root licks. Its pretty sad. But that one im not sure about. Maybe more than a dozen, but you know what i mean.

"But it's the little touches of grace notes, ghost notes and timing that gives the spice."

Exactly! In the words of Adam Gussow ... Its All About The Subtleties.

This is an instrument of subtleties. Recently (like within the last month or so) everything just started to really come together. I feel like i can actually call myself a harp player. Before i would just say I'm learning harp. I love this little thing. Amazing the sounds and expression you can get out of it.

Yalls nice comments on my track kinda lit a fire under my butt aswell. Im glad to know I'm making good progress in the time ive been playing.
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MindTheGap
1337 posts
Mar 25, 2016
8:21 AM
Well, Charlie Musselwhite's famous quote was:

"I only know one tune, and I play it faster or slower, or I change the key, but it's just the one tune I've ever played in my life. It's all I know"

So are good company in this regard! But I'm very keen for my band's songs not to sound roughly all the same, generic blues, so I make an effort to work out a specific, distinguishable part for each one. Some of them are ready made e.g. Hoochie Coochie Man. Some have to be built or 'imported' from other sources.

But when I'm comping, or called upon to solo freely, I'll fall back on a smaller number of stock phrases, at least as a framework. Otherwise I end up effectively noodling on the blues or pentatonic scales, and that only goes so far. My creativity in the moment isn't that creative I'm afraid. I'm hoping it will improve like a fine wine with age.

Whilst I've got my phrase library of all kinds of interesting stuff, I do have this germ of an idea to compile a limited set of Harp Rudiments. What I mean is my own set of fav stock phrases, all round the instrument. You know, like rudiments in drumming - all the fancy patterns you hear are really collections of a small set of basic patterns?

If you listen to the older players in particular, you do hear the same phrases over and over. Adapted to different contexts, grooves, tempos, dynamics. More modern players seem to have more variety.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Mar 25, 2016 8:50 AM
MindTheGap
1338 posts
Mar 25, 2016
8:31 AM
And thanks for the film idea, I'm going to find that. It'd passed me by. In return, the Ray Charles bio-pic? And of course you'll have see Cadillac Records.

Last Edited by MindTheGap on Mar 25, 2016 8:34 AM
MindTheGap
1339 posts
Mar 25, 2016
8:40 AM
And, and. On the subject of rendering songs with different instruments than the original, check this out (warning, no harmonica on here)...

MindTheGap
1340 posts
Mar 25, 2016
8:47 AM
And finally. Re horn layers. I guess a person could do something with a looper pedal. Someone with the necessary degree of coordination (not me though).
Killa_Hertz
809 posts
Mar 25, 2016
12:54 PM
A looper might work aswell. I didn't think about that. But then you still have to be in time with it. If you just had an effect on your signal that woukd make it sound like multiple instruments, you could be off a little and it would still be prefect. Idk. Maybe it wouldn't work just a thought. When i get around to trying I'll let you kno if it was good or epic fail.

I dig the banjo track, pretty cool.
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§The Innocence Project

 

 

 

ADAM GUSSOW is an official endorser for HOHNER HARMONICAS