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1847
4254 posts
Jul 05, 2017
8:33 PM
this was driving me crazy... and its a short drive.
pretty slippery stuff.

teahika
65 posts
Jul 06, 2017
4:02 AM
Around 2.45 min she puts a capo on her guitar? Do I win a free memphis minnie amp?
1847
4255 posts
Jul 06, 2017
8:12 AM
Excellent observation…….
I was learning a song the other day, it was in the key of B, I thought that I was hearing a B in this song.
So I rewind the video and grab a harp. It just does not fit. What the heck. So I grab a guitar
By the time I get the guitar pluged in and play along, I am hearing a B chord! So one more time rewind the tape. I am hearing an Ab what the hell. This is difficult. These chords do not fit. how the hell are you supposed to figure this stuff out?

So I get to the end of the video and I notice she has a capo on the guitar. Sounds like the key of B
I go back to the start, and there is no capo! She starts off best I can tell in Ab.

Who the hell plays in Ab……..

If you listen closely you can hear when they modulate, you can see her give the nod. You can see the other guitar player, mr marinelli playing in B. if you watch carefully you can see her slip a capo on.

This song came out way before youtube. You would need to either have perfect pitch, or play a instrument other than harmonica to figure this out. And even then. Lol ……… its no wonder I would sit this one out when called.

My guess is, she has tuned her guitar to open Ab…. Who the hell does that? no one.
This has given me a giant headache. Next time I see her, I will stick my tongue out and make a face at her.
tmf714
3051 posts
Jul 09, 2017
1:07 PM
its in A flat-heres a video


tmf714
3052 posts
Jul 09, 2017
1:10 PM
B harp in fourth position-

D flat in second-

Last Edited by tmf714 on Jul 09, 2017 1:13 PM
tmf714
3053 posts
Jul 09, 2017
1:15 PM
Here is George Smith -the tune is "I Don't Know"-in A flat.
George is playing a D flat harp in second position.

Last Edited by tmf714 on Jul 09, 2017 1:28 PM
1847
4264 posts
Jul 10, 2017
7:19 PM
thanks for that tmf... i love youtube...
that's a great george smith tune.

the bonnie raitt song i knew i could find a tutorial on how to play it.
but i really wanted to learn that by ear.

it was a stumper, when it modulates to B it threw me. what is amusing is the next song i wanted to learn from itunes was sam myers i've been down so long...

man i had to work hard to find the key! it appears that they tune down a half a step...
but not quite... it is in Ab! took me a long while to figure that out.

when the band tunes down a half step and the tape is not at the proper speed the pitch
is somewhere in between. with a guitar you can tune to the tape, with the harmonica you are
pretty much screwed.

ValleyDuke
157 posts
Jul 11, 2017
5:10 AM
I had to look it up, Ab to B is an augmented second interval, and it works best in equal temperment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_second
1847
4265 posts
Jul 11, 2017
7:43 AM
Nice observation valley duke! I was not thinking of it in those terms.
Good thing because I would have gotten that wrong. Aflat minor is the relative minor to the key of B

But this is in Aflat major. To B major

Another song that modulates like that is
Zz top La Grange.

i can't think of any others at the moment.
ValleyDuke
158 posts
Jul 11, 2017
8:05 AM
@1847 Ha! So interesting, gonna listen to La Grange right now.
shakeylee
666 posts
Jul 11, 2017
3:37 PM
I don't think of it as tuned down.

I think of it as open G tuned up. She's probably thinking in G.


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1847
4266 posts
Jul 11, 2017
6:04 PM
yes, but if you tune down there is less tension on the neck.
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shakeylee
667 posts
Jul 12, 2017
5:55 AM
I use 16-56 strings on all guitars. I don't worry about tension ??
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1847
4267 posts
Jul 12, 2017
7:17 AM
Sorry shakey, I was trying to use humor, it fell flat.
You are 100 percent correct it is G#. There are a million and one reason to call it that and only one reason to call it Ab.
We had a similar discussion re: this same subject not too long ago.

First of which is the song modulates to the key of B
The key of B has 5 sharps.. G# has six sharps. Just for that alone
Is enough to call it G#


my apologies. peace 47
timeistight
2147 posts
Jul 12, 2017
8:53 AM
G# major has six sharps and one double sharp: G#, A#, B#, C#, D#, E#, and Fdouble sharp. That's eight sharps total, three more than B major.

Ab major has only four flats, which is why you rarely see anything notated in G# major.

Last Edited by timeistight on Jul 12, 2017 4:50 PM
shakeylee
668 posts
Jul 12, 2017
11:03 AM
1847,I was trying to be funny too,and,failed .

Hence the smiley face,which may have showed up as question marks :)
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tmf714
3054 posts
Jul 12, 2017
3:21 PM
"I don't think of it as tuned down."
Its def tuned down -your dropping the E strings to D and the fifth string from A to G. She def likes open G -but plays in open tunings of A,E and D as well.

Last Edited by tmf714 on Jul 12, 2017 3:27 PM
shakeylee
670 posts
Jul 12, 2017
8:01 PM
well,yes,obviously it is tuned down from standard.

what i am saying,as i play in open G,is,that to me,i think of it as tuned UP from there.

to me,it is open G,tuned sharp a half step.
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