snowman
258 posts
May 21, 2017
9:37 PM
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hi.
thinking about getting a kinder anti feedback ---
I have the [lone wolf mojo pad] it helps a lot]---
I have the [LW harp Shield]---i don't think I want a gate===seems to work ok but might sell it
Thought about "squeel Killer' but think it works similar to mojo pad--
Every room is different and playing in open outside air is way different--So I have a lot of options for pedals to help with feedback and or cutting thru the mix--and or being forced to play thru PA
Pedals
1] terminator
2] LW harp tone + 3]LW octave
4] Lw Break 5] Lw Delay 6] BBE sonic stomp for leads----I put the mojo pad on the amp its the last deal---I don't use all pedals only what I need----I always use slapback delay---the rest for tone or more drive if needed----
SO MY QUESTION IF i GET A KINDER--DO I PUT 1st in chain or at the end b4 amp----as I said mojo pad does help --but don't think mojo will work with kinder
Im hoping to simplify for obvious reason [to many pedals]
hoping for delay---kinder-- bbE sonic stomp amd hopefully thats it ---
bASICALLY WHERE DO U PUT KINDER? THANKS
Last Edited by snowman on May 21, 2017 9:38 PM
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TetonJohn
313 posts
May 22, 2017
6:52 AM
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When I use mine, I put it first; not sure if that is recommended by Kinder or not; maybe just put it there after experimenting in different positions -- which I think is the best way -- experiment. (Lately, I find the LW Octave pedal to be sufficient.)
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Littoral
1480 posts
May 22, 2017
11:39 AM
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I don't have a Kinder but I'm really glad to get the direct comparison from TetonJohn regarding the LW Octave. I've been touting this attribute of the Octave for a long time. I don't often use any of the effect, just level. It's also a great pre-amp pedal for PA. I'm in the mix now, bitches.
Last Edited by Littoral on May 22, 2017 11:40 AM
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1847
4142 posts
May 22, 2017
12:48 PM
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try as i might, i am not getting the harp octave to reduce feedback. i do not seem to be getting any more volume.
i have the blend all the way off and the volume knob at 8 oclock
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TetonJohn
314 posts
May 22, 2017
1:29 PM
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I did not mean to suggest that the LW Octave pedal is as effective as the AFB+. As I said, it is "sufficient" for me. I try to bring the right amp for the job, meaning to get the volume I need w/o needing much if any feedback control -- so the Octave gives me a margin to turn up just a bit more if needed. I do often have the AFB+ in my bag ready to insert at the top of the chain, but I rarely use it anymore. I will be bringing it to an outdoor gig where our band leader suggests being able to control my own volume in case the sound crew folks are still asleep (we're opening for the New Orleans Suspects).
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Littoral
1481 posts
May 22, 2017
1:32 PM
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1847, interesting.
8 o'clock is not much. I assume you've backed off the amp as much as possible and pushed the volume on the pedal?
I've used it with 4 different amps and with 2 mics, 57 and the HM new element in a JT shell. The difference for me is 15-20% more, which is a lot.
Last Edited by Littoral on May 22, 2017 1:32 PM
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1847
4143 posts
May 22, 2017
2:14 PM
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i'll try a mic with a little lower output.
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doctom
33 posts
May 23, 2017
7:15 AM
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Hey Boys,
I recently read a post about using an EQ pedal for controlling feedback (specifically the Boss GE-7 modified by Modest mike).
I'm thinking of trying this out...have any of you ever compared this ti a Kinder or other anti-feedback pedals?
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PeterG
67 posts
May 23, 2017
8:37 AM
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Mine goes first, before delay. I can dial it out or keep minimally engaged, as needed depending upon the room and volume.
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hvyj
3294 posts
May 23, 2017
8:51 AM
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FWIW, in my experience, the most effective method for controlling feedback is to use a mic with a volume control and employ the VC to attenuate the input signal (reduce gain). That has worked pretty well for me, and I play through guitar amps. But, YMMV.
Btw, although there has been some disagreement about this, in my experience, the Squeal Killer is NOT like the MojoPad. The MP attenuates signal to a greater extent than the SK. I sometimes play with a very loud (but very musical) guitar player who uses a Marshall half stack and wants me to get a dirty (or "raw" as he calls it) harp tone at high volume. To do that, I go direct into my amp with no pedals except an SK, put the amp's boost on and crank the volume to overdrive the amp and get dirt. This works great. The difference between the MP and the SK is that you can't push an amp that hard using the MP. But you can with the SK. Big difference.
Btw, the Kinder is very effective. I don't like it for several reasons, but it certainly does what it's designed to do--control feedback.
Concerning EQs, they can be very effective for controlling feedback. But they are also very useful for fattening tone. If you get an EQ that has a slider for 240 or 250 Hz, boosting that freq will have a very nice effect on fattening harp tone in a very pleasing manner. FWIW.
Although I have tried various anti feedback devices, I don't routinely use one, except when I'm playing with that loud guitarist who plays through a Marshall half stack. At those volume levels an AFB device is essential. But otherwise, I just use the VC on my mic and that works fine.
Gates can be problematic if you use reverb and/or delay. In my experience, if the gate is set to effectively control feedback, it is also likely to cut off the "trails" or "fade" produced by the delay or reverb. I haven't tried a Hatp Shield, but I have tried a few other gates over the years.
Last Edited by hvyj on May 23, 2017 9:22 AM
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