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Martin
1128 posts
Mar 03, 2017
4:51 AM
The label "psychedelic", when it comes to music, is so diffuse that it´s almost meaningless. and introducing more precise criterias is probably more a waste of time than anything else -- when such a term has come on the loose it´s almost impossible to rein it in.

Still, I´d be interested if anyone has an example they think would qualify as "psychedelic harmonica". (And that´s completely regardless of how the perfomer sees it.) Of course it does not have to be from San Francisco 1966 etc.
Gnarly
2120 posts
Mar 03, 2017
8:10 AM

'66 baby!
Evidently psych harp sounds a lot like blues harp LOL
Bilzharp
140 posts
Mar 03, 2017
9:04 AM
Paul Butterfield - East West - the title cut. Jam band groove, lots of outside notes. More so from Bloomfield than Butterfield but still pretty mind-blowing when I first heard it. Yeah, '66, San Francisco. Oh, and it's 13 minutes long!

https://youtu.be/NvWvOwLCWGg

Last Edited by Bilzharp on Mar 03, 2017 9:39 AM
1847
4011 posts
Mar 03, 2017
9:17 AM


1974? towards the end of the "psychedelic", era

Last Edited by 1847 on Mar 03, 2017 9:17 AM
1847
4012 posts
Mar 03, 2017
9:25 AM


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waltertore
2985 posts
Mar 03, 2017
9:26 AM
here is a wacko thing I did for reasons unknown to me. Walter


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WoozleEffect
38 posts
Mar 03, 2017
9:55 AM
Given that my Space Echo is my default delay-reverb now... I think I might just qualify as psychedelic harp myself!

... maybe...


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Grey Owl
777 posts
Mar 03, 2017
12:43 PM
Well I called this cover of mine Psychedelic...It is an LSD inspired song written by Peter Green and unfortunately more or less coincided with his slide into mental decline and his stepping away from the music scene.



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dougharps
1370 posts
Mar 03, 2017
4:27 PM
Definitely East-West! Still have the vinyl from back in the day.

How about this?


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Killa_Hertz
2253 posts
Mar 03, 2017
6:13 PM
I got a couple for you.

Here's two with the Rotary Connection. They are Definitely Psychedelic.

The Wolf




Muddy




This one is not so much "Psychedelic" , but surely has that Drone quality that I like in songs to listen to in an "Altered State", if you will.

Jason Ricci

Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Mar 03, 2017 6:22 PM
1847
4014 posts
Mar 03, 2017
6:39 PM
Definitely East-West! Still have the vinyl from back in the day.

How about this?

especially that.
1847
4015 posts
Mar 03, 2017
6:43 PM
ted burke
532 posts
Mar 03, 2017
6:49 PM


This is definitely remindful of a bad acid trip, at least
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Goldbrick
1771 posts
Mar 04, 2017
6:12 AM
One of my moosical heroze

sydeman
185 posts
Mar 04, 2017
11:35 AM
MARK NAFTALIN SAYS that Michael Bloomfield brought "East- West" to the Butterfield Band in the days following an all-night acid trip (in Cambridge in late 1965). "Mike sequestered himself in the wee hours of the night," Naftalin recalls, "and when he emerged at dawn he said he'd had a revelation into the workings of Indian music." At first simply called "the raga," "East-West" was an exploration of music that moved modally, rather than through chord changes. As Naftalin explains, "This song was based, like Indian music, on a drone. In Western musical terms, it 'stayed on the one.' The song was tethered to a four-beat bass pattern and structured as a series of sections, each with a different mood, mode and color, always underscored by the drummer, who contributed not only the rhythmic feel but much in the way of tonal shading, using mallets as well as sticks on the various drums and the different regions of the cymbals. In addition to playing beautiful solos, Paul played important, unifying things in the background--chords, melodies, counterpoints, counter-rhythms. This was a group improvisation. In its fullest form it lasted more than an hour."
Harmonica Lewinskey
154 posts
Mar 05, 2017
11:47 AM
This is probably the best example I can think of.. Anyone know who plays the harp on this track?

Last Edited by Harmonica Lewinskey on Mar 05, 2017 11:49 AM
MP
3419 posts
Mar 05, 2017
12:51 PM
Robert Plant

Also, he plays a good version on harp of SBWIIs 'Bring It On Home'. I think the tune is on Led Zepplin II.

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ScottK
49 posts
Mar 05, 2017
6:08 PM
Good tunes here!
I've spent a lot of time listening to when the levee breaks lately. A band asked me to learn that and a couple others (bring it on home, nobody's fault) and I'll join them at a practice. Very fun, always been a fave tune, heavy on the reverb. I've listened to the harp part a lot on the studio version since it's sometimes hard to make out..I wonder sometimes if there is a second harp track in there. Def can get psychedelic with it especially near the end.
1847
4017 posts
Mar 05, 2017
9:06 PM
trivia.... no fair looking this up on the internet.. you are either having a flashback or you are not.



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bonus points if you get his last name correct.
Harmonica Lewinskey
157 posts
Mar 06, 2017
2:43 AM
Some interesting stuff from Wikipedia--

"Page recorded Plant's harmonica part using the backward echo technique, putting the echo ahead of the sound when mixing, creating a distinct effect.[4]

"When the Levee Breaks" was recorded at a different tempo, then slowed down, explaining the "sludgy" sound, particularly on the harmonica and guitar solos. Because this song was heavily produced in the studio, it was difficult to recreate live; the band only played it a few times in the early stages of their 1975 U.S. Tour, before dropping it for good. However, the song was revived for their Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction in 1995.[4]

And on the reverse echo technique too--

During one session [with The Yardbirds], we were recording "Ten Little Indians", which was an extremely silly song that featured a truly awful brass arrangement. In fact, the whole track sounded terrible. In a desperate attempt to salvage it, I hit upon an idea. I said, "Look, turn the tape over and employ the echo for the brass on a spare track. Then turn it back over and we'll get the echo preceding the signal." The result was very interesting—it made the track sound like it was going backwards.
Later, when we recorded "You Shook Me", I told the engineer, Glyn Johns, that I wanted to use backwards echo on the end. He said, "Jimmy, it can't be done". I said "Yes, it can. I've already done it." Then he began arguing, so I said, "Look, I'm the producer. I'm going to tell you what to do, and just do it." So he grudgingly did everything I told him to, and when we were finished he started refusing to push the fader up so I could hear the result. Finally, I had to scream, "Push the bloody fader up!" And lo and behold, the effect worked perfectly.[2]


So ScottK, it sounds like that second harp part you are hearing might actually be the reverse echo! Seems like it could be pretty hard to replicate in a live situation, although I think there are a few reverse-echo pedals on the market nowadays, I just have no idea how they sound for harp

Last Edited by Harmonica Lewinskey on Mar 06, 2017 3:04 AM
laurent2015
718 posts
Mar 06, 2017
4:12 AM
1847: Eric Burdon or Donovan
Martin
1130 posts
Mar 06, 2017
5:12 AM
Thank you guys. As I hinted above "psychedelic" has a wide connotation frame -- and sometimes it apparently sounds just like anything else!
My task is that I´m trying to "psychedelify" a recording, and apart from me being rather generous with the modulation setting on my TC Hall of fame reverb unit, I´m rather fumbling in the dark. But it´s fun and there are pointers here that are interesting.
GamblersHand
637 posts
Mar 06, 2017
6:09 AM
There's always this classic - although the harmonica playing is fairly conventional for the era

dougharps
1373 posts
Mar 06, 2017
8:35 AM
@Martin

Here is something to experiment with to see if it works for you to get a sound to "psychedelify" your playing:

The effect that is my goto sound for getting a "trippy feel" is to take my delay pedal, turn the repeats way up and turn the amount of signal being repeated way up. I set a speed that works for the song. If you have tap tempo that might help. It works best over a simple one or two chord pattern. You can create showers of repeat notes that you can jam to during your solo, interacting with the delay notes. At the end you click it off or go back to your regular delay settings.

I also have used a phase shifter effect sometimes, but that is putting icing on the cake, so to speak. It also may cause feedback problems in a live setting.

EDIT:
Oh, you can start off slow with long notes then speed it up, slow down, etc.
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Doug S.

Last Edited by dougharps on Mar 06, 2017 8:50 AM
Goldbrick
1772 posts
Mar 06, 2017
10:23 AM
@1847

The song is by Donovan but I dont remember the name

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Harmonica Lewinskey
158 posts
Mar 06, 2017
1:10 PM
I think the genre has more to do with the "state of mind" when the song was made rather than actual song itself.. Perhaps you need to take a little trip ;)
1847
4018 posts
Mar 06, 2017
3:17 PM


you are correct... donovan. positively psychedelic.
no where near san fransisco either.
1847
4019 posts
Mar 06, 2017
4:09 PM
more trivia....

jimi hendrix played his last concert ever, with what famous harmonica player?
ScottK
50 posts
Mar 06, 2017
5:11 PM
1847- I guessed John Sabastian or Paul Butterfield but I googled and couldn't find yet...

Harmonica Lewinski- thanks for posting that info,that makes sense now and how it sounds.

I found that using my 545sd through my PA a little heavy on the reverb sounds pretty good for that tune. When I have an amp hopefully in another month I'll see how it sounds through the amp then mic to PA and add reverb there. Look forward to seeing how it sounds with a band.

Last Edited by ScottK on Mar 06, 2017 5:13 PM
Martin
1133 posts
Mar 07, 2017
4:06 AM
@dougharps: Thanks you, I will certainly try what you´re suggesting. And in this case it´s a two chord tune that needs psychedelification.

@1847: That should be Lee Oskar and War.
1847
4020 posts
Mar 08, 2017
10:55 AM


there was an article in the local news paper, where howard scott talked about
jimi's last gig. and how he was one of the last people to see jimi alive.


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